the common secret of great guitar tones

**Andy Bartosh** · 09-08-2022, 05:13 PM

**st.bede** · 09-09-2022, 04:10 PM

We are talking about phenomena and noumena. I believe the above youtube post, is equivocating on the notion that good tone is all in the mind.

All be it, everything we experience is a phenomenon, that does not exclude the existence of physics, and the scientific study of physics of acoustics. Value is by definition difficult to ascertain, but the physics of acoustics, has some goal oriented suggestions that could be related to value. For example if a typical person can not hear something, that might limit (or shape) the value of the desired action. There is the assumption that we value having other people hear the sound.

Waves are waves (I love a good tautology). How we experience those waves are a phenomenon but yet can be described by science. How we value those waves are not definable by science.

(I like the words phenomena and noumena, due to the lack of connotations).

**helios** · 09-09-2022, 04:39 PM

Everything is consciousness, and even by observing the world you change it:

Quantum Theory Demonstrated: Observation Affects Reality -- ScienceDaily

**Andy Bartosh** · 09-09-2022, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by st.bede

We are talking about phenomena and noumena. I believe the above youtube post, is equivocating on the notion that good tone is all in the mind.

All be it, everything we experience is a phenomenon, that does not exclude the existence of physics, and the scientific study of physics of acoustics. Value is by definition difficult to ascertain, but the physics of acoustics, has some goal oriented suggestions that could be related to value. For example if a typical person can not hear something, that might limit (or shape) the value of the desired action. There is the assumption that we value having other people hear the sound.

Waves are waves (I love a good tautology). How we experience those waves are a phenomenon but yet can be described by science. How we value those waves are not definable by science.

(I like the words phenomena and noumena, due to the lack of connotations).

It does not take place ONLY in the head, the imagination is passed on to physics, but if no imagination happens in the head, neither technology nor physics helps.

**EastwoodMike** · 09-09-2022, 04:47 PM

Does this post mean my air guitar tone is the most celebrated recorded tone on history ? It’s all in my mind after all so you will have to take my word for it. ?

**marcwhy** · 09-09-2022, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by EastwoodMike

Does this post mean my air guitar tone is the most celebrated recorded tone on history ? It’s all in my mind after all so you will have to take my word for it. ?

Exactly! It's 21st century Descartes: I think I sound good, therefore I do!

**Andy Bartosh** · 09-09-2022, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by EastwoodMike

Does this post mean my air guitar tone is the most celebrated recorded tone on history ? It’s all in my mind after all so you will have to take my word for it. ?

Of course, sed me an recording, please publish a recording1 But until that day only you can know that, because no one has ever heard your air guitar tone.

**icr** · 09-09-2022, 08:38 PM

My theory is that tone is tune. For example, I suspect any instrument, when played in tune, will sound good and likely get "great TONE" comments.

**Litterick** · 09-09-2022, 08:51 PM

If a tone falls in a forest, and no one is present to critique it, does it have a value?

If the tone is in the player's head, and the player strives to replicate it in the actual world, what value might it have to anyone listening? The listeners do not know the tone in the player's head, and so cannot know whether the played tone accurately imitates it. They judge the tone by their own values.