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All good. I'd vote for the Gibson based on tone in this video.
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06-27-2021 09:44 PM
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I think Rich Severson doesn't like ES 175's because of the neck pickup placement (he mentioned it in other videos). But actually the pickup placement of ES 175 is fairly standard. It's pretty much identical to Les Paul or ES 335. But they have 22 frets instead of ES 175's 20, hence that wonderful ES 175 gap.
ES 175 sounded the best to me. It has a nice balance of warmth and clarity. It also has a sweet compresion compared to the other guitars in the video.Last edited by Tal_175; 06-28-2021 at 09:06 AM.
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175 for me. Although, I would be happy with any of them.
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I had an X170 for a year or so and thought it sounded great. Ultimately there were other issues but it definitely had what I want to hear in a "jazz tone". The wooden bridge was a major contributor to the warmth and balance of that guitar. The acoustic response was hampered by the soundpost but it didn't feedback. In this test, the Heritage was more crisp, the Gibson and Guild were a little fatter to my ear and the Gibson had more thunk. They all sounded good enough.
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The 175 is the best to my ears, but the other two are pretty darn good.
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175 but all good!
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Rich seemed to like the ES-175 and Guild. But appeared to be in love with his personal Heritage H-575. Did you notice how he held it and looked at it as he strummed her strings with visible affection? He made me blush.
To me they all sounded great, but with very slight differences in timbre and tone.
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Three great guitars, no doubt, especially when played by a great player.
I wanted to like the H575 best because that is what I have and love.
I expected to like the ES-175 best because that is what I actually wanted.
But if I was going by tone alone, not touch or feel or neck size, I think I would have picked the Guild.
That's life, isn't it?
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If I would have had only audio, I could have sworn he played the same guitar three times…. (Listening on iphone)
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I dont if its the amp he uses, but i think so many of his guitars he plays sound the same.
Originally Posted by Little Jay
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I wanted to like the Heritage best (I have a Sweet 16, so brand loyalty, I guess), but I didn't.
I liked the Guild the best - it was full-sounding, but had a high-end sparkle that I found pleasant.
I liked the Gibson the least - sounded a bit muffled to me.
I might have liked the Heritage more if the strings had been newer than "about 3 years old".
That said, they all sounded pretty good, much better than my playing.
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None of the guitars is their brand's pinnacle instrument. Yet if I were in a smoky nightclub (those were the days) listening and drinking, I'd be happy. Put Wes on the guitar, Diana on the piano, Jimmy on the B-3, Dexter and Miles on horns, Jaco on bass, and Ginger on drums, I'd go a few rounds.
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All three instruments clearly get it done. Of course, everyone has known that the ES-175 would do this, for years and years.
IMO, the 175 wins by a nose. The Heritage acquits itself quite well. The surprise is the Guild X-170, which punches way, way above its class.
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No kidding. I thought it was great sounding! Originally Posted by Greentone
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I think the way plays - above the end of the fingerboard and with a very even attack - tends to make every guitar he plays sound very similar. That, and him playing through that same Quilter amp with a fairly bright and clean tone. Originally Posted by Little Jay
That bit he does about the 175 being brighter because of the pickup placement is funny. It's clearly not brighter sounding than the other two guitars (and the "different" placement is an optical illusion caused by the neck being shorter). Even the great ones sometimes listen with their eyes ...
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The other two guitars in the video also have 20 frets. To be fair, with respect to the guitars he is comparing, ES 175 pickup placement is more towards to bridge. Originally Posted by John A.
I agree that 175 is not bright compared to the other guitars so some listening with eyes might to be happening. Also agree that the pickup placement of ES 175 is fairly standard compared to the most short scale guitars (or even long scale guitars proportionally).
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In the clip the 175 is not brighter. I don't know why people get faked out by pickup placement on the ES-175...it's right at the node.
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The shallower depth ES 175 copies tend to have the pickup against the neck (Sadowsky Jim Hall, Heritage, Guild, Joe Pass's late ES 175). I don't know of an ES 175 type guitar with full depth and pickup placed flush to the neck.
One theory is, the "warmer" pickup placement is to compensate for the reduced body depth.
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I am going against the grain they all sounded good and similar but I actually like the heritage the best. It seem to me to be better balanced and so far I am the only one who thinks that. The Guild did have a bit of a bite on the high end, nice in situations but not always. In any case they all will work no question and all American jazz icon guitars.
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Gibson, Heritage, and Guild in a photo-finish by-a-nose near three-way tie! Tone is in the hands, isn't it?
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I heard it a little differently. Rich can get a gorgeous tone out of
anything, that’s for sure!
I liked the guild the best, although the low mids weren’t as clear maybe as should be, but solo, I thought sounded the best. Maybe we be a touch muddy in a mix.
I thought the heritage was really nice too. Like the guild but with a little more clarity down low.
My least fave was the 175. I don’t like those in general though. The newer ones just sound too ply-woody to me. Lacking sustain and kind of the opposite of what I really like, which is more of a carved sound.
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I generally have problems with these type of videos. Even though they give you some idea of the sound, it's the player that sounds basically the same.
They are adjusting to their ear preference, which is natural to do.
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I'm surprised to say I liked the Guild the best of the three (I own a 175). I suspect the wood bridge was a significant factor. I wonder what year the Guild is. I remember the X-175 back in the day but missed the X-170. I'm thinking it's probably an older made in USA model.
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