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Yes I already knew them, but I feel I like more the 24.74 inches long scale because of the more packed harmonics in the sound. I really like the fat and warm jazz tone. So I think that an Eastman AR372CE is more suitable for me. Anyway thanks to all for the answers. You gave to me a lot of precious advices. I'm really grateful to this community.
Originally Posted by Gitfiddler
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03-31-2021 03:56 AM
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just a thought .... Originally Posted by TOPGUN860
i don’t believe Eastman’s are generally known for being ‘fat and warm’
but rather ‘clear and articulate’
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Yes, you're right but with reducing the tone with the pots, I can get a nice fat jazz tone too, so that's my aim. Do you know other jazz guitars that fit this dark and fat tone? Originally Posted by pingu
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The AF200, GB200 and H-575 all are 24.75 scale. Originally Posted by TOPGUN860
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Yes but in design I like more Eastman (my personal taste). Originally Posted by Gitfiddler
The AF200, GB200 and H-575 all are 24.75 scale.
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Sorry guys if I re-open this thread but I have a doubt about Eastman and D'Angelico EXL-1. I play with the thumb but I wanna achieve the darkest tone possible, so my question is: which guitar is more suited for this purpose? Eastman AR372CE or D'Angelico EXL-1? I have this doubt because the EXL-1 seems to be the best choice for the measurements (scale, body width etc..) but I feel that the floating pickup has too attack and snappy sound rather than a very dark fat and warm one as the Wes tone is. I don't really know. If you know other guitar in this price range (1000/1500€) with fat dark and warm tone rather than clear and articulate let me know.
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To be honest, both those guitars can give dark, fat and warm sounds depending on strings, pickup, amp and your playing style. I would be inclined to choose the one that feels more comfortable to play and then adjust the sound using the variables I mention. As an example, my 1961 ES-175D is set up for dark "thunk" sounds using flatwound Pyramid Gold 14s (two years old!), a heavy 2mm pick, and a tc electronic BAM200 bass head played through a Toob 6.5 Metro BG (bass and guitar) speaker. If I use lighter strings and picks, then plug into my ToneMaster Deluxe I can easily get a brighter, more mid-scooped sound; plugged into a vintage Vox AC30 Top Boost (I should never have sold it, sniff....) there would be lots of chime for vintage rock and roll or rockabilly. Originally Posted by TOPGUN860
Sorry guys if I re-open this thread but I have a doubt about Eastman and D'Angelico EXL-1. I play with the thumb but I wanna achieve the darkest tone possible, so my question is: which guitar is more suited for this purpose? Eastman AR372CE or D'Angelico EXL-1? I have this doubt because the EXL-1 seems to be the best choice for the measurements (scale, body width etc..) but I feel that the floating pickup has too attack and snappy sound rather than a very dark fat and warm one as the Wes tone is. I don't really know. If you know other guitar in this price range (1000/1500€) with fat dark and warm tone rather than clear and articulate let me know.
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Okay thanks for the quick answer. Unfortunately I don't have any amp because I will play at home and I play the guitar routed into a mixer with amplitube emulation of Fender Twin Reverb. Anyway I will mount those strings as first thing to do for sure. I wanna ask you, for your experience, which one will you choose between the Eastman AR372CE (just not concerning the sound) and D'Angelico EXL-1? I'm more for EXL-1, right scale and right body width for wes tone. Originally Posted by Ray175
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In your original post, you state you want "classic style jazz sound (Wes Montgomery/Joe Pass tone)." The thing is, for many of us on this forum, Wes and Joe had very different sounds and they played very different guitars. Wes's L-5 was a big 25.5" scale, 17" guitar with a solid spruce top. Joe's ES-175 was a smaller 24.75" scale, 16" guitar with laminated maple all around. Which sound do you want and which size guitar is more comfortable for you to play?
The Broadway will get you into the Wes tone just fine. You can upgrade hardware at some point if you feel it's necessary, but you may think it's just fine as is.
The Eastman AR372CE will get you closer to Joe's ES-175.
With the EXL-1 you're into a whole other game. The size and scale are L-5 like, but now you're into a floating pickup, which is another whole sound entirely. Think Johnny Smith. The other guitars you're looking at have fixed pickups set into the top.
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Yep sorry, I meant to have a guitar that would be versatile and capable to produce joe pass tone and wes tone as well. But I realized that I would like a more Wes tone guitar. I don't like the floating pickup sound and I definitely prefer the set in pickup sound. I heard a lot of negative experiences with the Epiphone Broadway. So I don't really know. Is there another guitar for reaching Wes sound? Thanks. Originally Posted by Chazmo
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You are speculating without hands-on experiences with the various guitars - OF Course you can get a dark and woolly tone from just about any half-decent archtop : in case there is no tonepot on it then just use an outside eq pedal, med/heavy flatwound strings and work on your picking technique.
The tone starts in your head, then your fingers must make it heard and that might take some time, effort and practice. There is no easy way, regardless of which model guitar you choose.
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Yep, I can't play in this period these guitars so I can't have any hands-on experience so I'm trying to understand in terms of sound which guitar is better (the only thing I really care). I'll avoid Epiphone. Anyway thanks for the input. Originally Posted by gitman
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I can’t comment on the AR-371/372 but I used to own an Eastman AR803CE. It wasn’t a laminate model but a 16”. It had set-in humbuckers but was always a bit too bright for my taste. However, it was built well and had a very nice neck. As for the DA, I can attest that the EXL-1 has a few things going for it (at least for the one I own):
- Great build quality and fit and finish
- Killer looks IMO
- Superb neck and fretwork
- 17” & 25.5
Some things I don’t like:
- A touch heavy.
- The stock floating pickup was not my cup of tea. Easy to replace.
So after a pickup swap, I am in love with the EXL-1. There aren’t a lot of choices out there for a 17”/25.5 laminate from what I can see. The Epi Broadway Elitist is one I’ve been looking for that hits those marks but they don’t show up for sale too often.
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Nice answer, that was a really nice answer, I agree with you, but I don't understand if you're referring to the Premier EXL-1 or to the Excel EXL-1. Anyway a swap of pickup would be too much for me and I will go out of 1500€... Originally Posted by Esport
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Have you looked at Ibanez AFJ series -- definitely in the budget and jazz oriented.
Regarding the Eastman 371 or 372. Those are very bright sounding guitars -- many on JGF agree.
I had a 371 for a while and just couldn't tame the top end. I had much better luck with the Eastman Pisano ar380.
My friend has an older Epiphone Joe Pass that he modded with a Gibson 57 pickup.
That guitar sounds just great.
Happy shopping !!!
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Thank you for your answer sir. I agree with the fact that Eastman AR371 are very bright, I heard them from rich severson... I don't like the ibanez in general. At this time I have no choice for sure. I don't like aesthetically the Epiphone Joe Pass and I would go for guitars without "modding" them because I think I will go out of budget. Originally Posted by Longways to Go
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Most of the negative comments here about Epiphone are directed at the electrical stuff--pickups, switches, and pots. I think you'll find the same thing thing on all Asian-made guitars at the price point we are talking about. That includes Eastman, D'Angelico, and Ibanez. Originally Posted by TOPGUN860
The new Epis I have played recently are really nice. Many now include upgrades such as U.S.-made pickups and CTS pots. They really upped their game.
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Okay so could you link me these epiphones are you talking about? Are they nice for Wes tone right and not too bright as Eastman? Originally Posted by Chazmo
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My advice: Get the Broadway now while new ones are still available. It's the closest thing you're going to find to a new L-5 CES at the price you're willing to pay. It will get you into Wes territory and you can always sell it and upgrade later.
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I think I will buy this one as you said because it's the only guitar that can really get me into Wes Montgomery tone. 20 Frets, same scale, same body width, set in pickup. I will buy this one from an italian shop and I will request to change the pickups. Do you know which pickup is good for getting closer to wes sound? Classic 57 or something better? Originally Posted by Chazmo
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I hate to say it but the Epiphone Premium ES175 is even less than your budgetary constraints. These can be had for $800 and feature Gibson ‘57 Classic pickups and the guitars are the identical size as a Gibson ES175 with sound to match. It nearly has the tone of an ES175. I kid you not. It’s the best guitar under $1500, IMO.
Epiphone ES-175 2004 Natural | Billy Lee's Fremont Music | Reverb
Epiphone ES-175 Sunburst 2007 | B’s Music Emporium | Reverb
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Thanks for your reply but I realized in a second moment to be more into Wes Sound rather than ES175/Joe Pass sound. Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
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Wes started out on an ES175. Originally Posted by TOPGUN860
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Mh. I will keep in mind this fact. Nice to know. Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
Wes started out on an ES175.
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OK, the Wes Montgomery tone is not that dark. He used the thumb, yes, but he was typically known to be searching for a brighter sound to cut through the mix. When you describe a "dark" sound I think of latter-day Pat Martino rather than Wes Montgomery or Joe Pass.
If you really want to go for the Wes Montgomery kind of sound, you're going to want to look at something like an L5 with a carved spruce top and pick up set into the top rather than a floating pick up. And that's going to be hard to find in your price range. The likeliest candidate is going to be some of the Eastman guitars, although they are designed more towards the modern Benedetto sound than towards the old Gibson tone.
Since you're in Europe, it might be also reasonable to look towards European manufacturers such as Höfner, which might reasonably be found in the used market. They make some excellent jazz instruments.
And of course a major factor in this is going to be amplification. If you're using a Fender amplifier with the typical mid frequency cut, getting a dark fat jazz tone takes a little knob twisting.
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