-
I'm looking to buy a new amp, a 65 amps Tupelo. But, the amp does not have reverb.
So how much would I be missing it, how much reverb does the jazz guitar use/need?
I should note that I've been playing guitar for years but am now just getting into the guitar jazz world. So if you could all help me out I'd appreciate it.
-
02-25-2010 05:34 PM
-
use as much Reverb as you want.
there is no rule
-
It's personal preference but usually on the low side for traditional jazz.
I tend to like a little more and my very traditional sax playing buddy keeps telling me to turn it down. He likes the guitar dry, dry, dry.
-
Recording is one thing, especially if you listen with headphones, but live I say the better the amp, the less reverb you need. Of course this depends on the room -- a room with lots of carpet and drapes can sound dead.
When we were remodeling our ground floor, I couldn't believe how echo-y it was when everything was removed and stripped down to floorboards.
-
Playing my big archtops live, I don't tend to use any reverb... when recording with those jazz boxes I do add a bit though... playing thinlines or solid bodies I always use reverb.
But... season to your own taste!
-
I like my Hermida reverb pedal better than most amp reverbs I've used. I like its one knob at 1:00. It's very subtle and warm. I just got a new amp (Headstrong Lil' King) and really like the built-in reverb. And using that that, I find no higher than 2 sounds really good.
From a usage standpoint, I've always like the sound, but as I improve as a player (a relative qualifier, mind you), I find myself liking less and less reverb. I also might have succumbed to peer pressure
.
-
Yeah, that seems to be the trend -- older translates into less. I can remember when I thought reverb was an "effect" that you added to a song for a particular feel. Now I prefer just a little shimmer to the sound, and then not on all the material I perform (I just played with a friend, for about two and a half hours, with no reverb in sight nor missed). When I use reverb, the knob's never above 2-1/2 or 3.
Maybe we learn more satisfying ways of making the sounds we like, than turning knobs. I know that I have a small collection of guitar amps. Give me an hour or so to fool with them, and pretty soon my playing sounds like it does on the others.
Ooops! That sounds dangerously like a reason not to have a bunch of amps!
-
Heard lee ritenour playing a tribute to wes on youtube.. not much reverb but holy crap did he have a lot of delay.. I dont know if I could play jazz like that but I would certainly pull out ever Carl Perkins and Scotty Moore lick I know..
-
When you are playing live, use as much reverb as the room needs--then nock it back one notch. Steer clear of spring revebs for jazz-a nice plate adds a sheen but without that pussy-in-a-well predelay that hall and chamber verbs have. Room reverbs are not for live work.
When recording-NEVER record with reverb-add it in post production. You'll always need less than you think. I can't tell you the amount of tracks I've sent back to remix clients that are just unusable because they are swamped in crappy reverbs.
-
Les Paul sure liked his reverb.
-
Just enough so that you can tell that it's not there anymore if you suddenly turn if off. I like 'Plate' reverb the best, too.
-
He sure did. You must remember, though-when he was pioneering recording, reverb wasn't an effect that was added by an effects unit. A small speaker was placed in an echo-y place-a small room, stairwell or chamber. A mic was placed in the room, the guitar track played back through the speaker and the result captured on the mic. That's why it sounds highly reverb'd--because of the technical limitations of the day. No excuse for that nowadays, though.
Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo
-
02-26-2010, 09:20 AM #13jeffstocksmusic Guest
Some players use reverb as a critical part of their sound so I would say 'a lot'. Bill Frisell and Ted Greene come to mind. Holdsworth too, although he might not what you are into.
I couldn't imagine any of those players without it, to be honest.
I am not sure I could get through a gig w/o it. I have joked that I could make it missing a string before I could make it w/o reverb! To each his own.
-
me personally, I'm a fan of the short delay all the criss-cross guys seem to be using now (lage lund, jonathan kriesberg, etc.)-- anybody got any ideas how that's set up? I have an analog delay pedal, but it always sounds like too much to me, even at low settings...
for reverb, i like it to be generally not noticable that it is there, but noticable if you take it away, y'know? but that's just for my playing--there's guys out there who use a lot more and they sound great...the trick is, you can't try to cover up bad playing with reverb, but if you use it well (a la frisell, and plenty of others) the sound can be HUGE...
-
I read that Neil Young's recording studio has a cave underneath it... Can you see where this is going? Too cool...
-
Had a lesson with JK. He played through a Deluxe Reverb, with the 'verb way up there. Much more than I'd use myself (I use a soupcon to let the sound breathe), but he never sounds bad to my ears.
Anyway, I really don't like to hear a totally dry sound on anything...sounds wrong to me, dry and sterile. Agree with Mr. B, I like to hear a BIG sound. Even intimate little tunes sound better with a touch of reverb that makes the guitar sound atmospheric.
Just my 2p's worth.
-
Throw up a youtube link, and I'll take a listen. Short, slapback delays are usually-delay time-between 110 and 150 ms-no feedback-mix at 50%. What controls are on your pedal? Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
-
i can't get on youtube here at work, but a quick listen at amazon.com's sound samples would get you the idea...
check out kriesberg's "autumn in new york" from his album "night songs," and anything on lage lund's "early songs."
(there's some great playing to be heard as well, so it'll be an enjoyable investigation...)
I have an ibanez AD-9. I had to look up the controls, actually, they are DELAY TIME, REPEAT, and DELAY LEVEL...
i'm sorry for hijacking--dirk, feel free to move this...
-
To my ear most jazz guitarists use reverb--listening to Jim Hall's record with Bill Evans today, thinking what a wonderful tone he has. I wonder how much of these older recordings use added reverb, and how many just reflect the space they're recorded in?
I find it interesting how many well-known guitarists are know for their signature "effect" as much as their playing, like Bill Frisell (reverb and delay), Pat Metheny (chorus), Al DiMeola (compression and distortion), Dick Dale (spring reverb), Duane Eddy (tremolo), Jimi Hendrix (Wah), Andrew Bird (looper).
Why keep practicing--I should just get a signature effect...
-
I see (hear) what he's done. He's dialed in the delay time to correspond with the tempo of the song. He must have a very good idea of tempo built into his head. Repeats would be set to off on your pedal, but he has repeats, but at a very low level, and delay level would be at about 20 %. He's using a nice reverb as well. Mess around with the last 2 controls till you get it sounding right. Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
To get the 1/4 note time value you'd divide 60,000(number of milliseconds in a minute) by the tempo of the song. So-if the song is 120:-60,000/120=500ms...... that's for 1/4 note. 1/8 note would be half that=250ms.
Delays (and reverb decay times) always sound better when they are roughly in with the tempo of the song.
-
A tap delay is wonderfully versatile for all styles. It's very cool that even low budget amps now have them built-in.
As for reverb, I'm in the "you don't notice until it isn't there" camp. I like reverb to be used for just a little added sustain, like the pedal on a piano.
-
I will start by asking how many, if any, play with absolutely no reverb? I have always used at least a little reverb. I decided to try out none and turned it right off....to my surprise the result was a much fuller natural sound with much more ring to it. The acoustic qualities of the guitar are coming through much better.
I am thinking this is because the guitar is subject to less signal processing so the result is a more natural sound.
Input?
-
There are very few amps I like without any reverb. A fender twin and my newly acquired Standel S15 G studio with a 15" JBL. I find MOST amps just don't sound as full as I would like and reverb helps to round out the sound. On my Ampeg Reverberocket II the reverb seems to add a bit of treble...which I am not sure if I like or not...But for me, generally speaking, reverb is a must, especially for a practice amp.
'Mike
-
At home in my carpeted music room, yeah, sometimes.
On a gig? Probably won't need it, unless the room is really dead.
-
+1 but it depends on your style. Solo guitar it would have to be a big/lively room but playing in a trio or bigger I am pretty certain the only person who would miss it would be you (but then again, that is important) Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Reply With Quote
“Shearing style”
Today, 05:26 PM in Comping, Chords & Chord Progressions