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Looking forward to the day when we are able to hit an open mic. Ideally I would like to bring my Tele for some solo guitar and plug straight into the hosts PA. A DI box with built in reverb and some type of single coil noise suppression would be ideal. I suppose I could put together a small pedal board but sometimes you don't get a lot of time to set-up or outlets nearby nor the room to be carrying extra gear wires etc... A battery powered Boss type stomp box would be ideal. I know they make one for acoustics and it is pretty good.
Does such a unit for electrics exist? I have a Joyo American sound but that has no reverb nor noise suppression.
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12-21-2020 04:23 PM
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I think for that particular list of FX: preamp/EQ, reverb, noise suppression, you're looking at either 1) a group of pedals or a 2) multieffects or modeling unit. Noise suppression is the harder-to-find one - even something very close to what you're asking for, like a Tech21 FlyRig, isn't gonna have that. And a couple pedals is still gonna need a DI out at the end, right?
So, if it's #2, you're looking at some kind of multi-effects or modeling unit, and I doubt there are many that run on batteries at this point.
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One thing that works is a wireless setup. The Line6 Relay 10 wireless has both 1/4" and XLR out for the PA. No reverb, no effects, just the guitar, but it sounds pretty good to my ears. I normally use the 1/4" out for the amp if I have one, and the XLR out for the PA. You can use a small reverb pedal if you want, but they usually have only 1/4" out.
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Zoom Ms 50G multi effects pedal is a little over $100. It will allow you to program amp sims, efx, noise suppression, and reverb all at the same time.
All in one small pedal that can run on 2 AA batteries. Like most multi-effects pedals, you'll want to ignore the presets and tweek your own parameters, not hard to do on this unit. I find most of the effects to be the equal of my single-sound pedals.
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Some years ago I bought a Zoom G3X just for a couple of months of pit-band work. Ran more than six hours on four eneloops that I charged overnight after each performance. It wasn't the best modeler I've used, but it did the job. Would sound much better than plugging right into the FOH.
Originally Posted by Gilpy
Danny W.
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This bad boy will power most any pedalboard without having to run a cord to an outlet. I've done 4-hr gigs running a quilter amp AND a pedalboard and it only went down one bar.
Sorry! Something went wrong!Last edited by Woody Sound; 12-22-2020 at 10:48 AM.
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Last time I was in a band and playing live I tried to use a modeler through small PA speakers. It turned out to have way too much bass. I'm sure this is dependent on which PA speakers you're going through. I would think what you described wouldn't be so much Plug and Play, there would be some heavy EQ adjustments to get the sound in the ballpark. In addition, you'd have to run an xlr to a mixing board and possibly lose control of your sound to the mixing engineer.
It's not so much the modeler or DI that is the problem, It's the PA speakers. The ones I ran across were a problem.
I gave up on the idea. And settled on a small amp, in my case a quilter micropro, actually much quicker and easier to set up and get the sound I want.
Sitting in for a tune or so, much better to use whatever guitar amp is already setup, I would think.
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Thanks for all the ideas. That Zoom pedal looks like a bargain but that type of stuff leads me down a path that takes me away from actually playing my guitar.
Last night I tried a few things. I used my Bose S1 Pro as my guinea pig PA. It's a clean powered speaker. I set the EQ flat and turned off the built-in reverb (great speaker by the way).
First I took a stab at the BOSS AD-2 which is a DI with reverb but designed for acoustics. My Danocaster Tele sounded thin as one would expect. Some single coil noise there naturally.
Next up was the Joyo American. That sounded much better but the single coil hum was a little more present. Lots of tone shaping controls on the Joyo but no built-in reverb.
The I plugged my Tele straight into my Headstrong Lil King Princeton copy with a 12" speaker and turned the reverb just on. Now that's the stuff
I just love a guitar straight into a amp with no boxes. There is something about that is hard to put in words.
So for a open mic I guess I am stuck putting together a little board with the Joyo, maybe a Earthquake Devices Dispatch Master (reverb and delay) and the EH Hum Bugger.
OR play acoustic guitar through the Boss AD-2 which does sound good on steel strings. The AD-2 has a 1/4" TRS output for connecting to a PA.
OR bring my Princeton Clone....definitely the best option tonewise. Sorry couldn't resist posting a pic of the Dano.
Last edited by alltunes; 12-22-2020 at 01:48 PM.
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I used to use a Zoom something or-other direct to FOH and it worked fine. A clean sound, with a teeny bit of compression, a little ambience, a couple of grits, and a sustaining OD with or without ambience. A few simple presets and good to go. I used a wall wart to power; never let me down. We practiced through a headphone mixer. It
was great!
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If you want an amp in the chain, both the GK MB-200 and the DV Mark Little Jazz can be used. Both have XLR out. The GK allows the XLR out to be before or after the preamp and EQ with the push of a switch, the LJ is permanently after. One of the Beaudens or similar power stations can provide power for either amp for several hours, and weighs ~ 1 pound, very portable. You would need a cabinet for the GK if you want a monitor, the LJ is its own monitor. That may or may not be important, but for an unknown situation like an open mic, the LJ or equivalent may be safer. It's not hard to carry everything at one time if you have a gig bag for the guitar. Everyone has their own preferences, though. If you don't need the amp, the Line6 wireless is easy to carry and can be powered by a standard cellphone charging battery. I stick mine on the side of the receiver with Velcro, and use a short charging cable, 3" or so. It all fits in the pocket of a guitar case or in a gig bag.
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Why not a Tech 21 Sansamp? This is exactly what they are designed for?
Or a Tech 21 Fly Rig?
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Quilter makes heads that do this and you don't have to use a speaker cab either. But it would be an amp solution not effects solution. Also Strymon Iridium as well.
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Don't think a multi effect is the best solution for such use. Plugging in at venues, you want to make instant changes to your sound to fit the room, pa, etc. Get something simple.
Also do you really need reverb for a tele live? Rooms do have their own reverb, and there are a lot more choices without it.
If I was doing such gigs today I would get the flyrig, or the mooer cheaper one. I use to play this particular club with a 6 people band, playing all sorts of music, using only a cry baby and a bad monkey overdrive direct to the pa! That was easy to carry!
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I’ve got good results with a SansAmp Fly Rig.
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I was going to suggest just using an amp. In a similar situation, I wound up buying a Fender Champion 20 and bringing it to the jam I frequented (my Princeton is too heavy to schlep for this). It's cheap (I paid $89), weighs next to nothing, is simple to adjust, and sounds great. Gets me on and off stage faster than fiddling with a bunch of pedals, and sounds much better. Electro-Harmonix Hum-Debugger for single coil buzz. Originally Posted by alltunes
Thanks for all the ideas. That Zoom pedal looks like a bargain but that type of stuff leads me down a path that takes me away from actually playing my guitar.
Last night I tried a few things. I used my Bose S1 Pro as my guinea pig PA. It's a clean powered speaker. I set the EQ flat and turned off the built-in reverb (great speaker by the way).
First I took a stab at the BOSS AD-2 which is a DI with reverb but designed for acoustics. My Danocaster Tele sounded thin as one would expect. Some single coil noise there naturally.
Next up was the Joyo American. That sounded much better but the single coil hum was a little more present. Lots of tone shaping controls on the Joyo but no built-in reverb.
The I plugged my Tele straight into my Headstrong Lil King Princeton copy with a 12" speaker and turned the reverb just on. Now that's the stuff I just love a guitar straight into a amp with no boxes. There is something about that is hard to put in words.
So for a open mic I guess I am stuck putting together a little board with the Joyo, maybe a Earthquake Devices Dispatch Master (reverb and delay) and the EH Hum Bugger.
OR play acoustic guitar through the Boss AD-2 which does sound good on steel strings. The AD-2 has a 1/4" TRS output for connecting to a PA.
OR bring my Princeton Clone....definitely the best option tonewise. Sorry couldn't resist posting a pic of the Dano.
John
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you could go the strymon iridium route powered by a battery. It lasts + 8 hours powering all 4 pedals and i can even charge my phone/ipad/macbook pro from it.
Works great here and i really like the iridium.
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Neato! Originally Posted by waltf
you could go the strymon iridium route powered by a battery. It lasts + 8 hours powering all 4 pedals and i can even charge my phone/ipad/macbook pro from it.
Works great here and i really like the iridium.
What battery are you using, and what’s that glam pedal on the left?
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The battery is a RAVPower PD Power Bank USB-C, 60 watt, 20.000 mAh. (bought on amazon)
Then you need a usb to 9v converter. I bought a myvolts ripcord from thomann and then all you need is a daisy chain cable.
As long as you use all outputs from the daisy chain it's completely noise free. Less noise then from a traditional power supply.
The darkglass element is another headphone amp/cab sim. I use it because the biggest thing i missed from the iridium was an aux in to practice with.
The element has bluetooth, so i can stream musicfrom my phone/ipad/macbook and play along with it. It also works as an audio interface, so i can record with it straight to my laptop with just a usb cable.
It also gives me the option to put effects behind the iridium and still play with headphones. It's an old picture, i now have a flint behind the iridium.
It's not the cheapest setup but very flexible and I prefer the simplicity (and sounds) of the iridium over something like the hx stomp.
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I have gotten great sound by bringing a small amp and a mic and then running the mic into the PA.
I have a Sennheiser 609(about $110, plus the cable or adaptor). Just loop the cable through the amp handle and let it dangle. An audio engineer may cringe, but it sounds fine.
I like being able to hear my amp, so that the sound of the situation is familiar, and I know exactly how to adjust it. I always play through an ME80, so I've got EQ if I need it.
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Yeah the HX stomp - I watch videos on that thing and I don't think I want to use my precious playing time programming patches. Some are into that and that's cool, but something with knobs like the Iridium is much more my thing. Originally Posted by waltf
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No programming needed. It's quick and easy to delete extraneous effects from presets and end with useful patches. I spent only ten minutes with the manual. Iridium is cool in its own way but having a reverb, boost and compressor easily available on the same setup (HX Stomp) is also cool. The FlyRig would be the analog backup in case HX Stomp crashes (I am presuming Iridium would not due to simplicity). Originally Posted by christianm77
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Nice....I'm a big fan of economical pedal boards. That looks like the Pedal Train Nano. I have one for acoustic and one for electric set-ups. Both are powered by a Cioks DC-5 which fits very discretely under the Pedal Train Nano. Your battery set-up is cool. I have found that by using a TC Electronics clip on tuner I can free up valuable pedal board space. I just turn down the guitar volume to silent tune. Originally Posted by waltf
you could go the strymon iridium route powered by a battery. It lasts + 8 hours powering all 4 pedals and i can even charge my phone/ipad/macbook pro from it.
Works great here and i really like the iridium.
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The features of the HX are unbelievable. OTOH I don’t like anything I seem to have to plug into my computer to get the most out of. Also; i want something I can plug in and it sounds good. Originally Posted by medblues
If you have time and patience to get the most from it that’s great!
I’ve spent too much time swearing at machines this year.
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True. I just realized that I never connected it to my computer since I bought it, only used the knobs and switches on it. But I am not picky with tones and don't have great ears. Originally Posted by christianm77
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yeah the tuner is now replaced by a clip on and it’s place I have now the empress paraeq. I wanted to buy a powersupply but they were all so expensive and I loved the idea of a battery. It’s also attached with Velcro so if need to use it as a backup battery when traveling that’s also possible. Originally Posted by alltunes
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