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  1. #51

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    Quote Originally Posted by orri
    "Strat instead of tele?"

    A tele is probably better than a strat to play in a more "old school" jazz guitar style.
    Don't tell that to Mike Stern. ;-)

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  3. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic
    actually there's pics of joe pass with both the jaguar and the jazzmaster...neither of which were really his..they were synanon instruments, when he was in for the cure...

    jaguar has short scale..24"...has very snappy attack...has similar to tele or strat bridge pup tone

    jazzmaster on the other hand was leo's true attempt at a jazz guitar...the jazzmaster name was no accident...jazzmaster pickups are based on p90's but with (leo twist) real magnet polepieces like strats and tele pups...probably one of my fave pups of all time...warm, clean. lush, thick...beautiful...the jm neck pup also has two separate sets of controls...with different pots and caps...so you can go from neck pup to completely different neck pup sound at the flick of a switch...my fave fender in general, but great for jazz tones...& beyond

    cheers

    ps- jp with jm

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    Yes, there are photos of him with a Jazzmaster. The videos on youtube are with a Jaguar. I've played both a little, but not enough to really get much sense of either.

    John

  4. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Doug B
    Don't tell that to Mike Stern. ;-)

    Mike Stern is an authority on playing old schools sounds on a strat?


    Like Orri I'm inclined to thing that if you're looking for an old shool sound then a tele is a better bet than a strat

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    Well, if it's old school you're looking for, go no further than a Gibson ES-150 and matching amp! Teles are downright modern by comparison. Is a Strat new school? I am not qualified to answer, I think. But my Strat sounds just as good for jazz as my Tele, I think.

    here's a video I was looking for earlier in the thread:



    and a couple more:




  6. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Cunamara
    Well, if it's old school you're looking for, go no further than a Gibson ES-150 and matching amp!

    Nah I just thought it was funny that Doug missed the point of Orri's post by mentioning Mike Stern

    Tbh I'm not all that picky with regards to guitars .. espeically after this thread. If nothing used shows up then I might be tempted by the new MIJ hard tail strat they've released. It's got a vintage spec neck, which isn't my favorite thing.

    On the other hand it's a hard tail which I always wanted and strung up with heavy stings I don't mind a vintage radius or smaller frets.

    Just a thought .. It's priced around the american performer series


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    trem cavity contributes so much to tone of strat...the space and the springs and the metal...it's like a little reverb unit built into the back of a solidbody guitar....a great deal of its charm


    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic
    trem cavity contributes so much to tone of strat...the space and the springs and the metal...it's like a little reverb unit built into the back of a solidbody guitar....a great deal of its charm cheers
    ...which is why a hardtail strat is an interesting bridge between a strat and a tele. Especially when the 5-way switch is rewired so that the middle position combines the neck and bridge pickups and removes the middle pickup from the signal path.

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    I think a distinction needs to be made between the jazz tone and the archtop tone. Both Strat and Tele can get nice clean tones with reasonable amp settings (jazz tone). They are designed for their clean tone after all because clean tone was all there was at the time. Snappy twanginess can be tamed with heavy gauge strings or picking technique without the need for a humbucker.

    Neither can get the archtop tone outside of very controlled experiments.

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    Tbh even the 335 is a different animal to a 175, let alone an L5...

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    I like listening to Strat players but playing it is totally different.
    Maybe due to the bridge construction the attack of picking is not immediate and it makes me feel uncomfortable, but I think it contributes to the mellow and hollow kinda tone.

  12. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    Tbh even the 335 is a different animal to a 175, let alone an L5...

    Always thought of the 335 as a more traditional looking Les Paul than trying to compare it to a 175

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    I used to play jazz on strat... strat is very comfortable guitar. And soundwise very versatile and you can tune it into almost anything really.

    But eventually ... I do not know how to say it.. strats are different bewtween one anothe too... but to me -- as a general conception of sound - they have that a bit steril aesthetics of tone... I do not know how to explain it better.

    Tele - meaning a general conception of it too , there are dfferent teles too - is more livlely to me? more stubborn, not that easy to mode into anything but maybe more rewarding after all?

    and at the end of it all it turns out to be even more versatile... ?

    Not sure of course.. I think to really dig the difference one should get decent standart strat and tele and play theme both for a few months at least rugularly....
    I had both at a time only for a few weeks

  14. #63

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    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic
    trem cavity contributes so much to tone of strat...the space and the springs and the metal...it's like a little reverb unit built into the back of a solidbody guitar....a great deal of its charm


    cheers
    My experience is that a blocked Trem cuts down on the reverb......

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    The Stratocaster design history and specific design features, some with unintentional but wonderful effect, make it what it is and make it sound the way it does. Leo Fender designed and adjusted his initial design in conjunction with continuous suggestions from Bill Carson, a guitarist playing Western Swing (Jazz!). The long history of popularity of the Strat for use in many other styles and types of music since then notwithstanding, the Strat was made for Jazz tone.

    It's been mentioned that the mechanical path connection of the floating bridge to the body through the springs has a softening effect on the tone. Another overlooked contributor to this is the mounting of the pickups to the suspended floating pick guard, rather than directly to the body itself.

    Recall that Leo referred to the three Strat pickup selections as:

    Rhythm (neck)
    Normal (middle)
    Lead (bridge)

    Surprised?

    This made sense (and still does) playing clean into a clean tube amp. Expanding the use of the Strat to other popular music forms and tones (increasing highs and distortion), and probably also from the shift from performing "barefoot" (just guitar and tube amp, not mic'd) to performing with pedals, effects, close mic'ing, board and PA, the modern practice is "taming" of the tone using more or mostly the neck pickup as "normal" and the other selections as "other/special".

    For many of us that still perform barefoot, the intrinsic tonal range and character of the Strat still makes sound appropriate and authentic for Jazz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauln
    The Stratocaster design history and specific design features, some with unintentional but wonderful effect, make it what it is and make it sound the way it does. Leo Fender designed and adjusted his initial design in conjunction with continuous suggestions from Bill Carson, a guitarist playing Western Swing (Jazz!). The long history of popularity of the Strat for use in many other styles and types of music since then notwithstanding, the Strat was made for Jazz tone.

    It's been mentioned that the mechanical path connection of the floating bridge to the body through the springs has a softening effect on the tone. Another overlooked contributor to this is the mounting of the pickups to the suspended floating pick guard, rather than directly to the body itself.

    Recall that Leo referred to the three Strat pickup selections as:

    Rhythm (neck)
    Normal (middle)
    Lead (bridge)

    Surprised?

    This made sense (and still does) playing clean into a clean tube amp. Expanding the use of the Strat to other popular music forms and tones (increasing highs and distortion), and probably also from the shift from performing "barefoot" (just guitar and tube amp, not mic'd) to performing with pedals, effects, close mic'ing, board and PA, the modern practice is "taming" of the tone using more or mostly the neck pickup as "normal" and the other selections as "other/special".

    For many of us that still perform barefoot, the intrinsic tonal range and character of the Strat still makes sound appropriate and authentic for Jazz.
    You're a good salesman. I gonna put the floating tremolo block back on my strat.

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    Look like I might be posting an NGD soon. Just need to sort out some shipping from the UK to Denmark ... and hope that some schmuck doesn't go into the store and buys the guitar I'm after right in front of me


    Uhhh ... Exciting stuff ... I love the highs of having major GAS

  18. #67
    The recent threads about ugly guitars like this one
    Fender Parallel Universe II Jazz Strat


    Made me look up and book mark some of the 2018 telecaster body versions .. and one of them just got put on clearance for 999£ and I couldn't resist. Maybe a bit silly, but I'm getting isolation crazy, so wtf

    It's got an ash body and a nitro finish on both body and neck. Pups are the same as the AVRI models

    Should be here in a couple of weeks as I was too cheap to pay 150£ for air shipping

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  19. #68

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov
    The recent threads about ugly guitars like this one
    Fender Parallel Universe II Jazz Strat


    Made me look up and book mark some of the 2018 telecaster body versions .. and one of them just got put on clearance for 999£ and I couldn't resist. Maybe a bit silly, but I'm getting isolation crazy, so wtf

    It's got an ashbody and a nitro finish on both body and neck. Pups are from the same as the AVRI models

    Should be here in a couple of weeks as I was too cheap to pay 150£ for air shipping


    There's a chance air would not be faster these days....

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    I much more prefer Strat neck pickup to Tele neck.
    And humbucker bridge Strat to bridge Tele single coil.

    But non the less, Tele is amazing guitar.
    No style of music that proper Tele can't play.
    I just like Strats more for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonah
    there's a chance air would not be faster these days....

    lol

  22. #71

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
    My experience is that a blocked Trem cuts down on the reverb......
    Bah, humbug!


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    Not much jazz content but some interesting points here.

    F.ex: ”(...) with a strat You sound just like all other strat players (...)”! (Uncertain quote.)

    Never thought about that!


  25. #74

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    Tbh even the 335 is a different animal to a 175, let alone an L5...
    ...and as we have learned, even an ES-175 can be a different animal to an other ES-175...

    All guitars sound different and then again a player with a signature sound sounds same with any guitar!

  26. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Mecena
    Those are great and I've been watching them since release. They also give you the option to have middle and neck in series at the flick of a switch for a humbucking sound... Something Tom Quale himself had demonstrated as his go to traditional jazz sound.

    I might pick an Ibanez AZ up if one shows up used at a decent price ... Currently the cheapest ones are the first generation HSS Ice blue and HH two-tone sunbursts and they are currently as low as they've ever been at 1775€

    Ibanez AZ2204-ICM – Thomann Danmark


    Which is fine enough, but still 600€ above the Jazz Tele I bought .. and I was willing to pay a slight premium on that jazz tele as it's a limited model and not likely to show up used. The Ibanez AZ .. I'm waiting for them to show up used around the 1000-1100€ mark.

  27. #76

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov
    The recent threads about ugly guitars like this one
    Fender Parallel Universe II Jazz Strat


    Made me look up and book mark some of the 2018 telecaster body versions .. and one of them just got put on clearance for 999£ and I couldn't resist. Maybe a bit silly, but I'm getting isolation crazy, so wtf

    It's got an ash body and a nitro finish on both body and neck. Pups are the same as the AVRI models

    Should be here in a couple of weeks as I was too cheap to pay 150£ for air shipping

    Wow! Looks interesting! Let us hear how it sounds!

    There is so many variations on a Tele that in a way this looks just normal.

  28. #77

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug B
    Quote Originally Posted by orri


    A tele is probably better than a strat to play in a more "old school" jazz guitar style.


    Don't tell that to Mike Stern. ;-)
    Are you thinking of a specific album or video or something where Mike Stern plays a strat with in a "old school" jazz guitar style and sound? (He played a strat with Miles Davis in the 80s)

    What I've heard of Mike Stern's playing, his style is (arguably?) quite modern, at least compared to Wes and Grant Green, and he is known for playing tele style guitars (though not exclusively).

    Mike Stern is a brilliant and versatile guitarist and studied the masters before him. I'm sure he could masterfully play in a old school jazz guitar style with a strat (but I'm not as sure that he would pick a strat over a tele if he only had those two options for the task).

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    Mike Caldwell <3


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    I routinely use an archtop, a Stratocaster, and a Telecaster in my jazz group. Folks like all three but I consistently get the most compliments about tone with the Stratocaster.

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    Why? XD
    U put Duncan Little 59s or Pearly Gates rail and problem solved.



    Damn, this are damn nice also.

    Good pickups makes tons of difference.

    U probably have the most brighters single coils possible, so ofc people will complain on that. XD



    This should be damn nice also.

    Or this one



    Tons of great options if you have money, and you are willing to do tiny surgery on guitar.

    It would be stupid to gave up on it if you like it, just cause of pickups.

    Or if you like super extreme makeover, you can make it humbucker / mini humbucker / humbucker like this one.



    If I had descent alder Strat body, I have at least 30 ideas what I would do with it. XD

    Too many great options to choose from.

    Tiny bit of imagination, would turn that Strat into God guitar without a problem.



    Too many great ideas, literally too many.
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  32. #81

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    AT-1 plus 2x Injector necks saves Suhr from the chopping block

    Let this topic be you an inspiration.

    Or another 1:

    ibanez thbb10 clean - YouTube

    Literally you have TONS of options what to do with a Strat.

    So I on your place, would send that Strat to guitar tech, threw out that Fender singles, get custom pickguard and do a solid research on pickups.

    You can do anything with that guitar, too many AMAZING options.
    Last edited by Mecena; 05-21-2020 at 08:41 AM.

  33. #82

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie
    Not much jazz content but some interesting points here.

    F.ex: ”(...) with a strat You sound just like all other strat players (...)”! (Uncertain quote.)

    Never thought about that!
    That has always been a poorly-aimed slag. Will you end up sounding like Jimi? Or Jeff Beck? Or Stevie Ray? Or Buddy Guy? Or Yngwie Malmsteen?

    And, "with a Tele you'll sound just like all other Tele players" shares the same crummy logic.

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    Let's face it, this is true for all guitar models.
    Cause in like, 25 years ago all guitar models were same.
    Strats were always Alder with 3 single coils.
    Teles were always Alder Tele with Tele pickups.
    Les Pauls were always Mahogany with 2 classic PAFs.

    In todays market u have tons of options how to make guitar sound different.
    Back then U didn't have all this different options.

    So it all comes to music / guitar / pickup industry evolution over years.

    Back then U didn't have Mahogany Stratocaster or Telecaster, or Alder Les Paul.
    Today that stuff is normal, with over like 300 pickup models to choose from.
    In past U didn't even have 20 of them.

  35. #84

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie
    Not much jazz content but some interesting points here.

    F.ex: ”(...) with a strat You sound just like all other strat players (...)”! (Uncertain quote.)

    Never thought about that!
    That speaks more to the player's limited language than the instrument. Mick seems like a cool, knowledgeable guy but his playing always draws from repeating licks, riffs within the same boxes. He is more the host and his guests/co-hosts are the pros.

    In that very specialized area he sounds good though. He is all over it.
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  36. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175
    That speaks more to the player's limited language than the instrument. Mick seems like cool knowledgeable guy but his playing always draws from repeating licks, riffs within the same boxes. He is more the host and his guests are the pros.
    In that very specialized area he sounds good though.

    I like Mick .. At least he seems genuine and honest. But yeah, his world is quite limited. But if you're ever into a guy spending vid after vid for months in order to find that perfect old school strat tone that his playing is all about then you're golden

    But he is a fine host that lets his guests shine and be themselves

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    I've seen Mick in that pedal show YT channel.
    I like him more then Chapman. xD
    I would put him more on nicer side on YT guitar community.

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    Him, the other guy in that pedal show are also great, Danish Pete also, I also like Davie504. I also like guy from NStuff music, that Lucas guy, he is amazing.

    On the other side I can't stand Stevie T as person, Chapman, Andertons, Jared Dines and some other dudes.

    I think Mick is on nicer side compared to most of them.

    Rabea guy is also not the guy who I would hang out with in real life.

  39. #88

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie
    Not much jazz content but some interesting points here.

    F.ex: ”(...) with a strat You sound just like all other strat players (...)”! (Uncertain quote.)

    Never thought about that!

    Except for the 2 and 4 positions on the strat, I don't think that's a function of the guitar. I think that's a function of people trying to sound like SRV, Henrix, Gilmour, Knopfler, etc. . Conversely, think of all the chicken-pickers who sound exactly alike on Teles. So much for "everybody sounds different on Teles, but they all sound the same on Strats." I mean, yes, each guitar has some characteristic sounds that people can feature and accentuate. But strats, teles, 335s, LP, even hollowbodies like 175s also can be played in ways that don't feature/accentuate those sounds.

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by John A.
    Conversely, think of all the chicken-pickers who sound exactly alike on Teles.

    John
    Is there anything sweeter than Greg Koch chicken' pickin' on a L5 when he does his Wildwood demos?

  41. #90

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov
    Is there anything sweeter than Greg Koch chicken' pickin' on a L5 when he does his Wildwood demos?
    I can think of a few things ...

    John

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    I don't like Teles myself, but I wouldn't mind owning this one.



    Amazing demo.

  43. #92

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mecena
    Let's face it, this is true for all guitar models.
    Cause in like, 25 years ago all guitar models were same.
    Strats were always Alder with 3 single coils.
    Teles were always Alder Tele with Tele pickups.
    Les Pauls were always Mahogany with 2 classic PAFs.
    In todays market u have tons of options how to make guitar sound different.
    Back then U didn't have all this different options.
    So it all comes to music / guitar / pickup industry evolution over years.
    Back then U didn't have Mahogany Stratocaster or Telecaster, or Alder Les Paul.
    Today that stuff is normal, with over like 300 pickup models to choose from.
    In past U didn't even have 20 of them.
    Love the passion, but, er, ah, ... you might want to do a bit more guitar history homework...

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    What? XD
    Duncan in 1985s had 10 models, DiMarzio also 10.
    Today the two combined they have 250. xD

    Same as Strat and Les Paul.
    I didn't know there were Mahogany Strats in 1970s and Alder Les Pauls / SGs in 1970s.

  45. #94

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mecena
    Let's face it, this is true for all guitar models.
    Cause in like, 25 years ago all guitar models were same.
    Strats were always Alder with 3 single coils.
    Teles were always Alder Tele with Tele pickups.
    Les Pauls were always Mahogany with 2 classic PAFs.

    In todays market u have tons of options how to make guitar sound different.
    Back then U didn't have all this different options.

    So it all comes to music / guitar / pickup industry evolution over years.

    Back then U didn't have Mahogany Stratocaster or Telecaster, or Alder Les Paul.
    Today that stuff is normal, with over like 300 pickup models to choose from.
    In past U didn't even have 20 of them.
    I think you mean 60 years ago.

    John

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    Nice guitar, nice shirt, nice playing.

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    m, i appreciate your point in that today we have more options than ever, but your historical dating is way off


    fender was using ash and swamp ash from the beginning early 50's...well the first tele shape bodies were pine!!... strats and teles were available for decades with ash or alder...also as early as the 60's they were experimenting with other woods...see george harrisons all rosewood (heavy) tele

    in fact fender just made guitar news a few weeks back by announcing they will no longer use ash for their bodies!!...first time in near 70 years!!!

    gibson did use mahog..but many lps have a carved maple top...gibby also used korina on some guitars in the 50's

    later companies like mighty mite, charvel, warmoth (started in 1980!) began to offer all sortsa of body woods...basswood became a popular lightweight body wood alternative in the 80's

    as for pickups you had duncan, bill lawrence, emg, dimarzio,bartolini very early on 40-50 years ago


    cheers
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    U need to be heavy extremely good on ears to blind hear difference between Ash and Alder.
    Same as Korina and Mahogany.
    95% of people won't hear that.

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    Once again thanks every one. My Jazz tele has finally arrived .. It is a bit on the heavy side and the setup was awful. My first reaction was, I've made a mistake


    After fiddling with it and then getting used to it for a few days, it's actually quite cool


    Those 65ri jazzmaster pups actually have a lot of character .. a different and spanky sound than a tele and really funky in the middle position. Bridge has balls. We will see if I like the neck long term. It has a higher output than my tele and is less compressed .. It's different for sure.


    Anyways I got my wish of a fender that I can set up with a heavier gauge for my more traditional jazz needs, so that I can put a set of 9s on my tele again and start bending with easy again both in front of and behind the nut for that Jim Campilongo vibe




    My only grip with this model is the bridge. Fender claims that it is designed to follow the 9.5" radius of the fretboard. I suspect they're full of shit and have slapped on a mustang bridge that is designed for 7.25" radius. It has that thing where either the e-strings are cool, but the action is too high on the other strings .. or that the e-strings are buzzy, but the rest feels great. No big deal .. Can always slap another bridge on it.
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  50. #99
    I am a Telecaster player and like Stratocasters as well but I prefer the Telecaster neck.

    I removed the stock neck pickup from my Tele, ordered a new pick guard from Warmoth routed for a Stratocaster pickup. I dropped in an Eric Johnson reverse wound/reverse pole middle Stratocaster pickup and now my Telecaster really sound great.

    I get the lush sounding Strat tone in rhythm position, I am out of phase in the middle position and get the that coveted Strat "quack", and my Lollar bridge pickup is all pure Telecaster.

    I also installed a Fender 4-way pickup selector switch which gives me and additional option where the neck and middle pickups in series thus producing a fatter tone and more output than the other three positions.

    With these modifications I have the best of both Tele/Strat worlds, along with that 4th position kick. I ended up selling my Stratocaster and now it's just me and my modified Telecaster.

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    Happy NGD