View Poll Results: Is your main jazz guitar amp a solid state or a tube amp?

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  1. #51

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBGuitar View Post
    I know someone who builds high end, hand wired, tube amps.

    He says to me, If someone is stupid enough to pay me stupid money to build one of these stone age beasts I will build it for them.

    He makes good money as a side line. Laughs all the way to the bank.
    If he enjoys taking people’s money for what he considers a bad design he is a crook. He should take the high road and build solid state/modelling that he believes in. Laughing all the way to the bank is not exactly an attractive personality trait. More of a bitter loser, don’t you think. Enjoy your tech. Poor attitude.

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  3. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boogaloo View Post
    There are MANY tube amps far lighter than the one you have described. Even combos that weigh as light as 35 lbs. Driving 35 miles is a very short distance. Sure tubes cost but how often do you need to change them? I happy you got a little jazz. Must be more amp than you need. Would you mind telling us which 75lb head and 2x12 cab you are/were using. Congrats on the lj.
    I didn't get it yet, but I will in short future.
    Well, every year and half? About that time.
    Every year and half. But still ... with minimal paycheck it was pain in the a**.
    Well I have new rule now. If it is more then 22 pounds. I'm not interested in.
    I have huge hype for like small 1x8 combos now.
    Or like Quilter SS head and 1x8 box.
    I'm huge fan of micro amps now. I love micro amp.
    And in terms of tubes.
    I would get something like H&K TubeMeister 5 with like 2 tubes, and if it had like auto bias.
    But more then 2-3 tubes - no. Big no.
    I'm soo glad that I got rid of this big s**t.
    But I will go solid state.

  4. #53

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    Btw amp was JCM 900 clone, in 50W version.
    And box was 2x12" vertical.

    I joined this community, cause people don't like small combos. Especially solid state.
    But you know your stuff in terms of small micro amps.
    That's why I love this forum.

    When people tell me I love small 1x8 solid state combos. Most people tell me to get head scan. xD

  5. #54

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    On the contrary my friend. I think a lot of members here love their small combo amps, be it tubes or solid state/modelling. Happy trails.

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    Yeah, I know jazz players dig it.
    I love them also.
    When I saw photo of one guy from this forum.
    He has DV Mark LJ combo, and other was Vox BC108 cab with Quilter 101 head.
    I fell in love instantly.
    I want something like that.

  7. #56

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    DV Mark has signed up a legion of guitarists of all genres praising their solid state miniature amp products.
    And I thought they were mostly into bass and some jazz oriented amplification.

    DV MARK products are designed with a profound respect for the great history and traditions of the classic guitar amps, using cutting-edge technology!

  8. #57

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boogaloo View Post
    On the contrary my friend. I think a lot of members here love their small combo amps, be it tubes or solid state/modelling. Happy trails.
    i surely love mine ....

  9. #58

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    I kinda wish Quilter and DV Mark would expand their offer.
    I love their tiny amps. But they few models only. -.-
    If they would have like 10ish models each, that would be cool.
    Quilter has like Fender in 101 Reverb, and the other head is like Marshall, as I've heard. Only like 2 basic models. -.-
    DV Mark same thing, I've heard they all have pretty pretty similar clean sound .... -.-

  10. #59

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    Not to hijack a thread but...

    I'm surprised nobody ever (or rarely) mentions the Positive Grid Bias or Kemper Profiler. Both are amazing amps albeit a bit pricey.

    I've only tinkered with the Kemper at a LGS, and it had way too many possibilities to explore in a store. But I have had a PG for a while now and for clean it's the equal of most anything I've played. The reverb is lackluster and I've never tried to get any sort of tube breakup but it's so readily customized with their software I haven't even scratched the surface on its possibilities.

  11. #60

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    When I leave the house: Henriksen JazzAmp 110 - nice tone, very loud AND clean, super-reliable, and lightweight.

    But in the house? A Blues Junior with a Cannabis Rex speaker and replacement tubes - old school tone - very late '50s when combined with my P-90 equipped hollowbody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by citizenk74 View Post
    The front end of a plucked guitar string note is a hot mess. The initial attack is the strongest and most chaotic part of the note.The string has not yet settled into its stable, harmonically sorted period of vibration. I like a little sag for that reason. Coupled with soft-knee compression and judicious use of the plectrum, it allows me (on a good night) to shape the note into something I want to hear. The note is not just clean, it's cleaned up.

    The top of an archtop or flattop performs much the same function, as much of the initial energy of the stroke is used to set the top in motion, slightly delaying the fullness of the note and allowing the coherent harmonic vibration to dominate.

    At least, that's my thinking on it. YMMV.
    I have never thought about it that way but that makes sense!!

    I have a DV Mark for practice and rehearsals for ease but I am a tube guy. Mainly for the feel differences as mentioned in this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Eff View Post
    It‘s always a shame if someone hates what he does.
    ... perhaps I misread, but he was laughing all the way to the bank. Sounds like a labor of love ;-)

    Anyhow, FWIW, I've found something as simple (and portable/affordable) as a BOSS GT-1 run through a flat EQ speaker cabinet does a marvelous job of creating tube-like tone. A dab of compression+delay+chorus+gain and you can dial in a wonderfully smooth and creamy tone, just on the edge of breaking up.

    (... and, of course, you can also practice through headphones late at night and hear the same tone).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Eff View Post
    It‘s always a shame if someone hates what he does.
    I don’t think that comment necessarily means that he hates what he does. I’m guessing it might be more likely that he recognizes that over fifty or sixty years that technology has moved forward and designs that were state of the art when the Beatles stormed the world, are moving more and more towards being obsolete. People still love handmade mechanical watches and pay thousands of dollars for them while acknowledging that a $25 Casio is a far more accurate timekeeper.
    I have tube and SS and I’m happy with what I get out of both. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; most guitar players are incapable of determining whether an amp sounds good or not, they can only determine if it sounds like what they have heard before, if it’s familiar to their ear (Fender, Marshall etc.). You see a similar mindset with acoustic guitars; if the design, no matter how brilliant, articulate, bell like singing beautiful tone, if it doesn’t sound like a Martin/ banner year J45, it is ignored or slammed.

  15. #64

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    With all respect to the pollster, there are too many variables between the two to state a preference. For example, how about ss amps that emulate tubes very well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by citizenk74 View Post
    The front end of a plucked guitar string note is a hot mess. The initial attack is the strongest and most chaotic part of the note.The string has not yet settled into its stable, harmonically sorted period of vibration. I like a little sag for that reason. Coupled with soft-knee compression and judicious use of the plectrum, it allows me (on a good night) to shape the note into something I want to hear. The note is not just clean, it's cleaned up.

    The top of an archtop or flattop performs much the same function, as much of the initial energy of the stroke is used to set the top in motion, slightly delaying the fullness of the note and allowing the coherent harmonic vibration to dominate.

    At least, that's my thinking on it. YMMV.
    K, some good words here. I really like your description, especially the domination of, or dominant 'coherent harmonic vibration'! That's what I like to hear too! Very good. Thanks for kick starting my day and giving me something to think about while I plant some seeds in my garden!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skykomishone View Post
    K, some good words here. I really like your description, especially the domination of, or dominant 'coherent harmonic vibration'! That's what I like to hear too! Very good. Thanks for kick starting my day and giving me something to think about while I plant some seeds in my garden!
    You are very welcome. All part of the service!

  18. #67

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    Something wrong with the settings? Citizenk74 made the previous post on April 28, yet the list of threads claims it is from today. Anyway, I've been a SS guy from 1965, with a few exceptions (HRDL, Classic 30, SCXD; all before thigh, back and shoulder operations.) I constantly get lauded for my tone. Maybe it's just the only praise-worthy aspect about my playing.

  19. #68

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    Tone Master Deluxe Reverb; sold state but sonically indistinguishable from its original sister and only 22lbs! So best of both worlds if you like the 1965 blackface mid scoop - if you don't then a decent eq will take you most places.....

  20. #69

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gitterbug View Post
    Something wrong with the settings? Citizenk74 made the previous post on April 28, yet the list of threads claims it is from today. Anyway, I've been a SS guy from 1965, with a few exceptions (HRDL, Classic 30, SCXD; all before thigh, back and shoulder operations.) I constantly get lauded for my tone. Maybe it's just the only praise-worthy aspect about my playing.
    The settings are fine. Polls on this site function like that. It keeps them current in the "new posts" category.

  21. #70

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray175 View Post
    Tone Master Deluxe Reverb; sold state but sonically indistinguishable from its original sister and only 22lbs! So best of both worlds if you like the 1965 blackface mid scoop - if you don't then a decent eq will take you most places.....
    Based on the amount of favorable reviews and comments from users of these new Fender Tone Master amps (Deluxe Reverb and Twin Reverb), these may be real game changers going forward.

    I love my tube amps, warts and all, but if I were in the market for another amp, the TM series would be on the top of my list. Is it too late to change my poll vote?

  22. #71

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    Many thanks. Alan

  23. #72

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    For the last four months I don't think I've actually played through my amp for more than a couple hours total. I've been working on the never ending album project every day and that's been just plugging into the interface and straight into the computer. It's mostly playing at whisper volume levels while I record and hearing the strings as I hit them. It makes any amp sound just amazing when I get around to plugging in.

  24. #73

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    I prefer tubes. I used to be a tube snob, but I was pretty ignorant without nearly so much experience as I have nowadays. I still prefer tubes, in part because the grit sounds more organic to me, and in part because the feel or the bloom of the notes seems different.

    That's not universal, though. One of my amps is an ancient Peavey Bandit (first year if I'm not mistaken) that is a delightfully touch-sensitive amp. It stays at our rehearsal room, but I'd gig it without a second thought if need be. It's just bloody heavy.

    I also used to own a Tube Works 25w hybrid 1x10 (tube pre-, SS power-amp) that was one hell of an amp. That was grab-n-go for walking to open-mics when I lived off downtown Ventura, could fill a small room with ease, and whether I was playing heavy rock or fingerstyle jazz it was easy to dial in quickly.

    Have guitar, and amp, will travel.

  25. #74

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boogaloo View Post
    If he enjoys taking people’s money for what he considers a bad design he is a crook. He should take the high road and build solid state/modelling that he believes in. Laughing all the way to the bank is not exactly an attractive personality trait. More of a bitter loser, don’t you think. Enjoy your tech. Poor attitude.
    Don't take it personally. your initial post is quite enough to put sensible people off tubes, since nobody in the audience can tell the difference, ever.

  26. #75

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gitfiddler View Post
    Based on the amount of favorable reviews and comments from users of these new Fender Tone Master amps (Deluxe Reverb and Twin Reverb), these may be real game changers going forward.

    I love my tube amps, warts and all, but if I were in the market for another amp, the TM series would be on the top of my list. Is it too late to change my poll vote?
    That's how I ended up with the Tonemaster....
    My main amps since 1971 have exclusively been tubes : 1966 AC30, 1975 Deluxe, 2004 Princeton Recording (hybrid beast, but great blackface sound). When the electronics on the Princeton recording died and no-one could repair it, I shopped around and was amazed by the sound of the Tone Masters, hence the purchase last year.
    Having said that, my standby amp since 1986 is a solid state Laney Linebacker 50w combo, which can do a serious replica of the blackface sound, and I've recently added a TC Electronics BAM 200 head, mainly for bass, but it has a great clean sound through a Toob Metro 6.5"BG for my ES-175D, as an alternative to the TMDR.
    Room for tubes and solid state in my life, as long as the sound is there.

  27. #76

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    i'm using the new raezer's edge centaur amp. 200w, 12" speaker, tube preamp, 25lb. I also use a raezer's edge luna head (200w, 3lb) and a kingsley tube preamp with it though it doesn't really need the preamp

  28. #77

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronjazz View Post
    Don't take it personally. your initial post is quite enough to put sensible people off tubes, since nobody in the audience can tell the difference, ever.
    good thing jazz guitarists play for themselves and not necessarily the audience! Particularly during the quarantine. Honestly, I practice 3-4 hours a day.I want something that sounds good to me as well as an audience.

    The problem I have with the modelers (and i've tried fractal and kemper) is that there is some latency to the audio that I can feel and it just doesn't sound like an amplifier to me. A SS amp sounds better. At least fender got it right and is not trying to model the cabinet. I think that's the Achilles heel of most modelers

  29. #78

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post
    Durn, neither... My main amp is a MusicMan 112 RD Fifty, which is a hybrid amp (SS pre-amp and and a pair of 6L6 power tubes). It has an EVM-12L speaker and I like to pair it with an extension cab with another EVM-12L.



    I have a MM RP65 with 1x12. It's fantastic for rock but I feel it could do with a little more mids for jazz ie using an archtop.

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    I find tube amps quite annoying

  31. #80

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    I find tube amps quite annoying
    The jazz guitar forum is a safe space for statements such as this.
    Last edited by Tal_175; 07-05-2020 at 07:46 PM.

  32. #81

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    You haven’t met the right tube amp.

  33. #82

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    I find tube amps quite annoying
    i wouldn't expect anything less from you! Happy 4th weekend brah!

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    I bought an Ampeg Reverberocket new in 1964. It worked perfectly, with no repairs or tube changes for about 35 years.

    At that point, it started to hum a bit, so I had the cap job and added a three prong plug.

    Sometime, thereafter, it started making noise intermittently. Several trips to the shop, a bunch of money and the problem remained. Eventually, I traced it to a loose connection to the reverb tank -- the wings on the RCA jack needed to be nudged a tiny bit. A 30 second job with a needlenose plier -- once you knew what the hell was actually wrong.

    Blew out the speaker playing loud rock music -- but the replacement sounded great.

    Then, after a few more years, a tube broke and I saw smoke. That required another trip to the shop. Surprisingly, the charred resistor was still within spec and wasn't replaced. The technician may have cleaned up a few other loose ends at that time.

    Anyway, 35 years of trouble free operation followed by some age-related issues is my idea of a great product.

    And, all that said, the Little Jazz sounds enough like the Ampeg, that the Ampeg sits in a closet, even though it's working perfectly.

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  36. #85

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzucker View Post
    i wouldn't expect anything less from you! Happy 4th weekend brah!
    You too man! :-)

  37. #86

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    I find tube amps quite annoying
    I think amplifiers in general are annoying. Probably the happiest I've ever been was when I used a modular rig with a small preamp/modeler with an even smaller class D power amp and a seperate cab. It was small, no noise, loud, versitile and everything was easily replaceable if something went wrong.

  38. #87

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    If the amplifier is annoying, something is wrong, somewhere in your rig.

    On a good night, I never think about the gear, just about the music.

    If my attention is drawn to any of the gear, then there's a problem to be solved.

    My recent experience is that once I've set up the LJ, I don't think about it again all night.

  39. #88

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    Solid state: DV Mark Jazz 12 and my original amp, a Holmes Tech 15.

  40. #89

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    Just before gigs stopped, I had gone back to often playing live with two amps again, namely a Princeton reverb and an Aer. Unbelievably good sound, and great flexibility for dealing with volume, feedback and sound character issues!

    I used to do that with the Henriksen or the Zt lunchbox and various other small Fender (or other brands) tube amps I've had in the past, before settling on the Princeton reverb. But this particular combination is something else. I feel an acoustic amp compliments a tube amp very successfully for jazz.

    So besides tube or solid state, tube and solid state works great too!

  41. #90

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alter View Post
    Just before gigs stopped, I had gone back to often playing live with two amps again, namely a Princeton reverb and an Aer. Unbelievably good sound, and great flexibility for dealing with volume, feedback and sound character issues!

    I used to do that with the Henriksen or the Zt lunchbox and various other small Fender (or other brands) tube amps I've had in the past, before settling on the Princeton reverb. But this particular combination is something else. I feel an acoustic amp compliments a tube amp very successfully for jazz.

    So besides tube or solid state, tube and solid state works great too!
    Are you feeding both amps the same signal?

    If not, what is your approach to creating two different signals?

    (I did it for a while with a stereo chorus setting in a Boss ME50, until I discovered that it detunes the signal in part of the room - a situation created by the fact that one amp is dry, one wet, so the chorus is created in the air of the room.

    I've always wanted to add some spaciousness, but I haven't figured out a good way to do it. Also, PA guys have cautioned me about having the signal emerge from two places on stage.
    Last edited by rpjazzguitar; 07-08-2020 at 08:00 PM.

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    I'm plugging the guitar into a lehle passive AB box that can do ground lift and phase inversion if needed. Usually live I only send one amp to the PA, the Princeton. I have recorded with these two amps though with good results.

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    I try not to worry too much about amps. I’m embarrassed that my two amps and two guitars are better than my sincere but klunky musical abilities justify. When I think I need another amp, I tell myself: “Fool. You don’t need more equipment. You need to practice more.” I have an Acoustic Image amp w a Razers Edge speaker. It’s too neutral, dry, and clean. So I have to add pedals to get a sound I like. At home I play a dinky little Fender Champ amp and I love the sound. Haven’t had a tube amp since the ‘70s. I never see a working jazz guitar pro humping their own amps around. All the venues here seem to have Fender Twin Reverbs as house back line gear.


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    No love for the Peavey Classic 50?. I owned one of the 2x12 combos from 1993-2005 and it is/was one of the finest tube amps I've ever used. Blistering loud and clean tone to die for. However they weigh 85lbs. Due to age and serious back problems I sadly had to sell it.

    Although not mine here is the same amp I had. They're still out there on the used market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuitarPlayer View Post
    No love for the Peavey Classic 50?. I owned one of the 2x12 combos from 1993-2005 and it is/was one of the finest tube amps I've ever used. Blistering loud and clean tone to die for. However they weigh 85lbs. Due to age and serious back problems I sadly had to sell it.

    Although not mine here is the same amp I had. They're still out there on the used market.

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    The Peavy Classic 50 is a totally fine amp. I gigged with mine for years. Beyond one little noisy jack problem (easily fixed) it never let me down. Great cleans, nice reverb, and hella fine gain tones. Mine was a very early 4-10" ( I ordered one on the basis of a GP review) and paid 10$ per pound for the 66 pound beast. Money well spent. Of course a hand truck was necessary and my daughter gave me one for Christmas (how cool is that). I eventually gave it to her son, and as far as I know it's still working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RationalAlan View Post
    ...Just sold ... my 2010 Mustang GT and miss them both, terribly. But I now need lighter toys and need an amp with less weight. Help respectfully most welcome. Alan
    I've been a long-time Mustang III v.2 user for many years, but I just picked up the new Mustang GTX 100-watt combo last month and... it's only 22 lbs! Very 'classic' Fender-look and with a Celestion speaker.

    IMO, the new GTX is miles above, clarity-wise, past the older Mustang, plus in features, too. BTW, the *100-watt* version includes a great footswitch, allowing not only access to all the presets, a tuner, and individually turning the (quite nice) effects on-and-off at will, but it's also got a built-in 60-second looper—very useful for practice! Admittedly, I was never all that impressed with the older M-III's clean tones (I have my Polytone and Evans for jazz) and so I've tended to mostly use my M-III more for rock-fusion stuff, but these new GTXs have really comes long way, notably in modeling so many of the iconic Fender amps, plus they now have (IMO) lots more presence and onboard volume per model, the cleaner tones, too, at least as I'm noticing. And at 22 lbs, I'm with you there for sure! Good luck in your search.

  47. #96

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    My seven Fender amps have tubes,
    my radio transceivers have tubes,
    my home stereo has a lot of tubes,
    my VTVM has tubes...

  48. #97

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    I own one amp - and it's a TUBE. I couldn't imagine only owning a SS amp, although I've previously owned 2. Currently living with a Fender Custom 15". It's a dream amp and clean as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar View Post
    If the amplifier is annoying, something is wrong, somewhere in your rig.

    On a good night, I never think about the gear, just about the music.

    If my attention is drawn to any of the gear, then there's a problem to be solved.

    My recent experience is that once I've set up the LJ, I don't think about it again all night.

    Is the Little Jazz warmer sounding than the Jazz 12? I had a Jazz 12 from a Musician Friend sale. I liked it for a few days, but iy sound flat andbrighter than I would have expected.
    I liked playing through my Zoom G5n much better. (bad comparison maybe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gitfiddler View Post
    Based on the amount of favorable reviews and comments from users of these new Fender Tone Master amps (Deluxe Reverb and Twin Reverb), these may be real game changers going forward.

    I love my tube amps, warts and all, but if I were in the market for another amp, the TM series would be on the top of my list. Is it too late to change my poll vote?
    I A/B’d a Tonemaster Deluxe vs a tube Deluxe Reverb. In my opinion the tube version was better. When I say better I think it’s more of a feel that’s better although I also think the tube version did sound warmer.

    Having said that in live band setting I don’t think anyone could tell the difference, especially the audience.

    If I’m playing alone at home I definitely prefer a tube amp. If playing out in a band I’d probably bring the lighter Tonemaster.