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    We've talked about how modeling is getting closer to sounding like something we want to play through. As far as I can tell, the Strymon Iridium looks interesting for jazz players. With a Fender Deluxe and Vox amp models along with some reasonable speaker cabinet Input Response (IR) simulations I've been convinced to order one. I like that it's receiving rave reviews for sound while having a simple (e.g. no menu drilling) interface. At $400 it's not cheap. However, the concept offers a great deal of flexibility:

    - With amp/cab, EQ, reverb, looper, and DI one smallish pedal board covers acoustics (bypass the amp/cab) and electric

    - With my set up, there's the 20lb Schertler cabinet if enough. 40lb Yamaha DRZ10 if necessary. The latter being 2000W in a small package. There are several FRFR speakers available across the price spectrum.

    - Front Of House (FOH) and some studio situations, all you need is your pedal board

    Setting this up with high end everything can get pricey. But with an inexpensive FRFR (Headrush comes to mind) it's not bad. And it does cover a lot of ground especially for those of us running flat tops, archtops, and the occasional Strat.

    Anybody else looking into these?

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    I bought one and I like it. The Fender and Vox sounds are wonderful. It's easy to use and it responds nicely as you adjust to taste.
    I was holding out for a Fractal FM3 but it's more than I need although it would sound fantastic.
    The Iridium works great with my Zendrive and Dispatch Master pedals as well.
    As usual, ymmv....

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    Would be great for gigs with great monitors, as well as for recording. But I don't see the point of it for most of the gigs I already use an amp on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    Would be great for gigs with great monitors, as well as for recording. But I don't see the point of it for most of the gigs I already use an amp on?
    If you use one guitar and one amp that isn't too heavy, probably not a lot. However, I use flat tops, acoustic archtops, electric archtops, and electrics as well as playing in places calling for a small speaker vs. a bigger one. Having a speaker capable of full range acoustic that can also be used with modeling for everything else will make my life easier.

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    I would love one of these for my little studio, they sound nice, i don't need a million sounds, just a good clean sound
    will it sound as good as my mic'd princeton? probably not, but the convenience would be great...
    wish i could try one before i buy, cause it's still not cheap

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    Another option is the the Atomic Amplifirebox. 14 amp models and loadable IRs, compact size, XLR outs etc. $299

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    I've been trying to justify getting one of these (so far unsuccessfully). It's got very good reviews. 300 amps, effects, IR's. Same processor as the more expensive the larger Helix model.
    https://line6.com/hx-stomp/

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    Quilter amps sound great for acoustic instruments flat top,archtop,etc Evven using a Guitar Synth in the additional channel. And with a head or Tone Block version you can go direct as well!

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    So I've been using the pedal for several days. So far what I've found is that it does exactly what it says in terms of modeling a specific amp and speaker cabinet. Because a PA speaker, even a very good one, doesn't sound exactly like an open back guitar cabinet, there is that difference. But it's kind of a nitpick for any setting other than playing solo in my living room. And it isn't better vs. worse.. just different with the tighter dispersion of a PA spkr. I haven't experimented with multiple speakers for reflected sound and fill. And now I have the option of stereo though not sure what that would do for me unless I were using a modulation effect.

    Overall I'm liking this set up. One pedal board. One speaker. Done. And I'm surprised I like the Vox amp model so well. It's quite crisp (in a good way) compared to the Fender Deluxe. And I can just hit the 'off' switch when I go to a flat top or mic running to the same PA speaker.

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    So Quilter Labs has relased a guitar amp direct interface at 2020 NAMM. Not as versatile as the Strymon. But at $99 a great deal for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spook410
    If you use one guitar and one amp that isn't too heavy, probably not a lot. However, I use flat tops, acoustic archtops, electric archtops, and electrics as well as playing in places calling for a small speaker vs. a bigger one. Having a speaker capable of full range acoustic that can also be used with modeling for everything else will make my life easier.
    My experience with FRFR cabs for jazz, rock or fusion has been meh...When I had an axefx and kemper i did love the acoustic and nylon string tones I could get but both for practicing and performing, the FRFR system sounded awful to me on stage. Particularly in a loud band. I tried many systems from atomic to high end powered PA speakers and the results were pretty much the same. The systems like the atomic sounded better than the PA speakers for guitar but I honestly felt they were voiced more for low tuned metal tones.

    Back to an amp now (raezer's edge luna) and when I want tubes I just click on my kingsley maiden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175
    I've been trying to justify getting one of these (so far unsuccessfully). It's got very good reviews. 300 amps, effects, IR's. Same processor as the more expensive the larger Helix model.
    https://line6.com/hx-stomp/
    The HX Stomp is $650. Line 6 just released the POD GO at NAMM (https://line6.com/podgo/). This one will be $450. Supposedly has the same amp and effect models as other HX products, but less functionality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzucker
    My experience with FRFR cabs for jazz, rock or fusion has been meh...
    The new generation amp modelers and cabinet simulators aren't going to address physics and they won't make PA speakers, designed more for DJ's and toughness, sound like a guitar cabinet. Or studio monitors for that matter. They just don't disperse sound the same way. Still, the better ones do sound pretty good. And you have to consider what the audience is hearing versus what you hear. If you are in a loud band, aren't you ultimately running through PA speakers anyway?

    At the end of the day I want something that sounds good and supports all the different things I need it to do. A flat top, voice, and saxophone don't sound too great constrained by the limits of a guitar speaker cabinet. However I'm finding, so far anyway, I can get usable electric and archtop sounds from the FRFR. But it's early in the cycle and we'll see if I'm driven back to guitar amps.

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    So does the Iridium have a PC editor with similar parameter editing facilities as the Atomic AFB? i.e Amp (Damping), EQ filters (LoPass, HiPass, LoShelf, HiShelf, BandPass, Notch, Peaking, Level, Frequency, Q, LowCut), Cab (Rolloff, Peak Q, Bottom, Air).

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    You can download different cabinet IR's (haven't tried yet though there's quite a few out there). Other than that, controls are, by design, pretty simple. Features here: Iridium - Iridium - Amp Modeler & Impulse Response Cabinet - Strymon

    If you're looking for a pedal that allows drilling down and a myriad of options, the Line 6 HX Stomp gets good reviews.

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    Tbh I see this type of thing as a advanced digital age refinement on what SansAmp has been doing for decades rather than anything revolutionary for guitarists, but it sounds, like, really good. Tbh though my FlyRig sounds pretty good and is more convenient on gigs.

    so I doubt I’ll go for this. If a big pop gig comes in (very much lol) I’ll pick up the Fractal or something. Until then I just need Fender clean emulation.

    The AmpliFire stuff hasn’t knocked me out. Maybe it’s good for gainey tones? I certainly felt that with the BluG stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    .. Until then I just need Fender clean emulation.

    I've used the Joyo American off and on. For cheap it's great. However, the Iridium is certainly a different kettle of fish. In the end, whether someone needs this sort of tech or not, it's really fascinating how things are evolving. Or not for those that complain we just keep copying old gear and sounds. Sort of being a Luddite with the latest gear.

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    Just a quick update..

    The Iridium allows the user to replace the simulated cabinets the pedal baselines with different cabinets. These can be from a few different choices on the Strymon app or purchased from vendors like Ownhammer online.

    While the choices are vast (different: type of mic, position of mic, position in room, mix [dark, warm, front, thick, on and on] as well as cabinet type and speaker type) it's fun to experiment. So far I like a mix of a Deluxe Reverb cabinet with a 12" CTS mixed with a Vibroverb cabinet with a 15" JBL in a mix they describe as something you might use for traditional accompaniment. And mid scooped. And yes, it does get that crazy. This will be for my most acoustic archtop. For a humbucker and flatwounds, will do something different. It sounds like a lot and hard but it isn't really. Just the laptop, a guitar, and pedal with some drag, drop, listen. You start to get a feel for the choices pretty quickly.

    As for the sound, I used to miss an open back amp in the room. Now I don't. Really liking the Iridium.

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    Nice to see Quilter come out with a direct tool but I was hoping it would have the limiter and reverb. Like the 202 but with out the amp bit.
    Maybe next year...

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    These boxes seem very cool.
    I'm wondering about plugging one into the back of my Evans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan0996
    These boxes seem very cool.
    I'm wondering about plugging one into the back of my Evans.
    don't you have an ax8?

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    I do, Jack, but I'd like to go smaller, lighter and simpler. And I'm really just looking for a good Fender tube amp sound without the tubes. I don't need 240 amps, 197 cabs and 126 effects (or whatever it is)..

    I'd like to try the Iridium and maybe the Fender Tone Master.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan0996
    I do, Jack, but I'd like to go smaller, lighter and simpler. And I'm really just looking for a good Fender tube amp sound without the tubes. I don't need 240 amps, 197 cabs and 126 effects (or whatever it is)..

    I'd like to try the Iridium and maybe the Fender Tone Master.
    I was going for one pedal board for lots of applications so the form factor was a major consideration. However the simplicity also mattered. While I'll take the time to load different cabinet models into the Iridium I wasn't drawn to frequent dives into the menus on one of the Fractal units or a Line 6 Helix. Not the mention the Strymon runs full up 96K cabinet IR's and is considerably cheaper.

    Wouldn't discount the new Quilter DI either. I'm enjoying the extra capability of the Strymon and wouldn't change a thing, but the last time I plugged the direct out from my Quilter 201 into the same FRFR speaker I'm using with the Iridium, I was really surprised how good it sounds.

    Guitar electronics are getting interesting.

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    So this is working for you without power cab emulation? I ask because I already have a cab m which is cool, I guess. And I generally prefer how two notes handles ir's rather than the pile of presets you get from celestion or ownhammer, but that's me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feet
    So this is working for you without power cab emulation? I ask because I already have a cab m which is cool, I guess. And I generally prefer how two notes handles ir's rather than the pile of presets you get from celestion or ownhammer, but that's me.
    Not sure what you mean by 'power cab emulation'? Iridium does 3 amp models (Deluxe Rvb, Vox30, Marshall) only but allows Cab IR's to be downloaded to 3 slots per amp.

    I've only looked at the Ownhammer stuff so far. They do have quite a lot of presets to choose from for each cabinet. Still wading through some of that. I'm pretty sure I'll settle on a few choices for the Deluxe Reverb and Vox amp models and call it a day at some point. The Ownhammer $29 collection includes a lot of choices. Not sure what the Two Notes cab IR's offer for their additional cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan0996
    I do, Jack, but I'd like to go smaller, lighter and simpler. And I'm really just looking for a good Fender tube amp sound without the tubes. I don't need 240 amps, 197 cabs and 126 effects (or whatever it is)..

    I'd like to try the Iridium and maybe the Fender Tone Master.
    My relatively cheap modeling amp, a Katana 100w combo, gathers dust since I brought home a ToneMaster Twin. Got real bored with plugging into a computer to reset the EQ(s) for a different guitar. With the TMTR just grab the knobs. Very happy but I’m keeping the Kat for its versatility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spook410
    I've used the Joyo American off and on. For cheap it's great. However, the Iridium is certainly a different kettle of fish. In the end, whether someone needs this sort of tech or not, it's really fascinating how things are evolving. Or not for those that complain we just keep copying old gear and sounds. Sort of being a Luddite with the latest gear.
    Oh I'm a super late adopter. I just buy what everyone else is using about five years after them.

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    Sorry, I somehow got it confused with the cab m and assumed it was just a preamp for some reason. It's interesting if it works through a pa, but as a non bright vox guy, it worries me. And really, I'm just afraid to spend the money. I wouldn't use it inside the house, as the cab m proved.

    The two notes advantage is that instead of shuffling through marginally different presets, you just get a cab. Then you pick your mic (or two) and place them as you like. as someone who did that in real life, it makes more sense to me. it feels better and it's more fun. too bright? Move the mic away from the cone. Too dark, move it in. Too direct? move it away from the cab. Or add a second mic. then you save that as your preset and use that. Not for everyone but I love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spook410

    Wouldn't discount the new Quilter DI either.
    [edit] - I thought you were talking about kemper di. Sorry. if i'm not mistaken, the kemper DI is designed exclusively to capture amplifier responses without a cabinet to facilitate kemper profiler's pure cab feature. Their website says it's not designed for other use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    The AmpliFire stuff hasn’t knocked me out. Maybe it’s good for gainey tones? I certainly felt that with the BluG stuff.
    Curious, did you try the Bluguitar amp for clean archtop sounds?

    There’s a Brit player/singer who endorsed it on a Thomas Blug’s site, Benson-ish player, sounded good. I’ve been curious about these, as they would be a great portability/ backup solution if they sounded as good for cleans as they do for overdrive.

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    So I got this thing yesterday afternoon. Here is a quick (but long!) look at some clean sounds on each of the stock settings, with a bit of tweaking on the fly. All with a CVC Tele, TI flats and SD Alnico II neck pickup which is what I prefer to use at the moment. It's just over a 8 bar iReal loop, aiming to play the same sort of stuff across all the settings, so not one for those easily bored! Will probably try a run through with a 175 or L4 when I've had a bit more of a play with it.


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    Will probably try a run through with a 175 or L4 when I've had a bit more of a play with it.
    I am very interested in what these things sound like with an archtop so by all means do the same thing with a 175, if you will ...

    DB

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    Quote Originally Posted by yebdox
    Curious, did you try the Bluguitar amp for clean archtop sounds?
    yes I did. It seemed very flat and lacklustre to me. So no improvement on my AER, which is at least flat in a very hi fi way and actually sounds great with my 175.

    There’s a Brit player/singer who endorsed it on a Thomas Blug’s site, Benson-ish player, sounded good. I’ve been curious about these, as they would be a great portability/ backup solution if they sounded as good for cleans as they do for overdrive.
    I think the Iridium blows it away for cleans from the demo here. Get a class D pedal power amp and you’ll be laughing. There’s a few around now, Seymour Duncan, Mooer, Quilter and so on

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    Quote Originally Posted by DB's Jazz Guitar Blog
    I am very interested in what these things sound like with an archtop so by all means do the same thing with a 175, if you will ...

    DB
    Here it is with a couple of 175s....



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    You can spend a lot more money, go through much more effort and still sound a lot worse than that. Great playing, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feet
    You can spend a lot more money, go through much more effort and still sound a lot worse than that. Great playing, too.
    The hard and expensive part isn't sounding good on a recording. The hard part is getting that sound into a room at volume where we're all used to the warm embrace of an open back cabinet.

    That being said, I like the Iridium quite a lot and don't see myself going back to combo amps anytime soon.

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    bleakanddivine, Those are two of the best demos of the Iridium that I have heard. To me, most demos seem to sound sterile and flat. Your playing and tone are both incredible.

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    Another contender is the Humboldt Simplifier but a common observation is; it sounds very good, it's more versatile than the Iridium but it doesn't sound like a guitar amplifier. To my ears, the Iridium nails the Fender amp sound. It's no Line 6 POD;



    i think I'm going to get one soon. The Humboldt does gain(distortion) much better but I'm only interested in the clean sound.

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    I think Strymon just make really good professional shit. It does sound really good. Maybe iridium into the TOOB at some point? I'd like an integrated power amp though in one of these units. They do exist, obviously, quilter best known probably.

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    I really like this one.

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    I have been thinking of one of these, but then I heard the DSM & Humboldt Simpler, which sounds even better in the clips I have heard on YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by patshep
    I have been thinking of one of these, but then I heard the DSM & Humboldt Simpler, which sounds even better in the clips I have heard on YouTube
    Pat, is it possible for you to post a couple that you like? Until I get monitors, it's going to be tough to find the useful videos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    I think Strymon just make really good professional shit. It does sound really good. Maybe iridium into the TOOB at some point? I'd like an integrated power amp though in one of these units. They do exist, obviously, quilter best known probably.
    If money is not an issue, I recommend an Acoustic Image Clarus SL-R: low-cut filter, power amp input (300W-1000W depending on impedance, rms vs peak), on board reverb and delay, tiny and feather weight, no fan etc etc

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    I meant have a class D amp built into the Iridium. There’s quite a few units like this, but I don’t like the clean channels on any of them quite as much as the Iridium.

    Also isn’t the AI an amp with its own preamp? I’m not sure how much that affects things?

    Anyway, weight is a key consideration generally because London is being made extremely car unfriendly, so should the gigs come back I’m on foot as much as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    I meant have a class D amp built into the Iridium. There’s quite a few units like this, but I don’t like the clean channels on any of them quite as much as the Iridium.

    Also isn’t the AI an amp with its own preamp? I’m not sure how much that affects things?

    Anyway, weight is a key consideration generally because London is being made extremely car unfriendly, so should the gigs come back I’m on foot as much as possible.
    I misunderstood. The AI has a preamp and onboard effects of its own, many people report using the effect loop return for their applications. Their Doubleshot speaker cab is only 15 lbs and 12X11 inches so altogether a 17-lb load in a specialized backpack for $1300. With your Fly Rig, it would become infinitely flexible.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    I meant have a class D amp built into the Iridium. There’s quite a few units like this, but I don’t like the clean channels on any of them quite as much as the Iridium.

    Also isn’t the AI an amp with its own preamp? I’m not sure how much that affects things?

    Anyway, weight is a key consideration generally because London is being made extremely car unfriendly, so should the gigs come back I’m on foot as much as possible.
    my way ....

    pre-amp of choice ... I’ve been looking for something better than my cheapo harley benton American trutone ....
    your flyrig maybe would be pretty cool
    does it do an octave down ,
    sometimes i need that
    (bass players a no-show etc)

    power amp (for power , not tone)
    Bam200 is fine (and very small/light)

    small powerful neo speaker cab
    Toob metro 6.5” ... very light ,small ,
    and well loud enough for a drummer

    or jbl control 1 (i use an ariston clone/copy 4.5” driver)
    ... ridiculously light and small (not quite as loud as the Toob for a gig with a drummer but still fine for a small gig or rehrearsal !

    stick the whole lot in your shoulder bag
    pick up and go ....

    amazing how tech has evolved to let you
    realistically do this now ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    I meant have a class D amp built into the Iridium. There’s quite a few units like this, but I don’t like the clean channels on any of them quite as much as the Iridium.

    Also isn’t the AI an amp with its own preamp? I’m not sure how much that affects things?

    Anyway, weight is a key consideration generally because London is being made extremely car unfriendly, so should the gigs come back I’m on foot as much as possible.
    I've had the same thought many times. There are companies coming close (at least for those of us just trying to cover the clean tone end of things). Milkman's "The Amp" and the Raezer's Edge Luna (especially the 200R) really close.
    Last edited by Jim Soloway; 08-10-2020 at 04:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
    I've had the same though many times. There are companies coming close (at least for those of us just trying to cover the clean tone end of things). Milkman's "The Amp" and the Raezer's Edge Luna (especially the 200R) really close.
    Raezer's Edge and Acoustic Image are definitely related (how tightly I don'y know) since they make cabs for their heads. Could AI be manufacturig their amps for them ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by medblues
    Raezer's Edge and Acoustic Image are definitely related (how tightly I don'y know) since they make cabs for their heads. Could AI be manufacturig their amps for them ?
    Could be. I know that Geoff has been working on this for a long time. Jack Zucker's been involved at the testing and advisory level for quite a while so he may know more details but I do really like the feature set on the amps they've come up with, especially in the Luna 200R. They've even got a bundle pack wth the 200R and the One 6 cab with a carry bag for the whole thing. That's a really great idea.

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    A few notes having used this in my primary rig for awhile now. While I do use it daily there are limitations some may not expect. Mainly, it doesn't sound like the amp and speaker you're modeling as you sit in a room with it. May sound like a mic'd version of that depending on the quality of your speaker, but most of us are not running studio monitors.

    I use a Yamaha DZR10 most of the time. It's a pretty good speaker. Sometimes I plug into an Acus 350 (acoustic amp). Sometimes a Schertler Jam 150 extension (powered speaker). I get a very usable tone and I enjoy tweaking the rig across a range of acoustic-ish archtops to pure electrics. Still, sometimes I just forego the Iridium set up and plug into a combo amp with an open back cabinet. And I'm reminded of how much I like that sound.

    It's hard to get these setups away from sounding boxy and canned. Even running good speakers and good EQ (I run through an Grace Felix with the Iridium in the fx loop). You can get to something OK and if you need to run a full range system like I do (vocals, sax through same rig) it's a good solution. Just don't think you can take a small powered speaker and one of these for instant Fender Deluxe tone.

    Guess this sounds like I don't care for it and that's not the case. I do get some good sounds out of it. But I think while modeling has excelled and speakers have excelled, the 'system' still sounds like a recording of what you want and lacks that warm hug of a combo amp. As always, your experience and views will not be the same as mine. So this is 'for what it's worth..'