Raezer's Edge Stealth 10

[P4guitar]

Old thread, I know. I am thinking of picking up a Stealth 10 for use with my Quilter SuperBlock. Question: Is the ER feature necessary if I only plan to use the cab with guitars? I'll use it with hollow, semi-hollow and solidbodies. I'm not clear on if the ER is a feature for guitars or if it is so you can use the cab with other instruments.

I don't think the ER is necessary at all. I have two Stealth 10's without ER and use a Quilter Tone Block 202 with my archtops. I really like the sound.

[nevershouldhavesoldit]

I don't think the ER is necessary at all. I have two Stealth 10's without ER and use a Quilter Tone Block 202 with my archtops. I really like the sound.

I agree. I bought my RE 10 new from Rich and tried every 10" cab he made before choosing mine. I got the Bass 10 because it sounded warmer and "bigger" than the Stealth 10ER. The Bass 10 makes a wondrful jazz tone all the way up the board, as does the non-ER Stealth 10. The cabinet is a bit more solid with heavier bracing, and the driver in my cab is apparently a one off made to Rich's specs - it's a monster....



I'd switched to 7 strings a few years before and thought the added depth at the bottom would be necessary. I think the sound from my archops is as good as it gets, and I've used many heads with it over the 25 years or so that I've had it (including Bassman 50, Vox Night Train 15, Phil Jones, Boogie 50 Cal, Quilter SBUS, QuIlter OD202, BAM200, TE Elf, DV Mark EG250 and a few others I can't remember). But in truth, the stock Stealth is just as wonderful for a 6 and would have been fine for my 7s too. I'd also appeciate the few pounds less to carry.

OTOH, if you use distortion based effects, the ER will give you a bit more hair regardless of the type of distortion you favor. It's also a bit more revealing with piezos and woody archtops for those who want to amplify their acoustic archtop sound (a thunkless task ). But for straight ahead jazz with a classic CES or similar tone, I don't think the ER adds anything. I do suspect (but can't confirm) that it's better for those using sims and IR images because it's closer to FRFR.

[sgosnell]

I have a Stealth 10ER, and I do use the tweeter a little bit. It's variable, from fully off to fully on, using a pot on the back of the cabinet. I like just a little bit of treble, and the ER works for me. It's just a normal 10" cabinet with a tweeter and a crossover circuit added, so if you don't like any added treble at all, you can just turn the tweeter off, but it's there if you need/want it.

[Stringswinger]

I have owned many RE Cabs over the years (I was an early adopter after hearing Pat Martino use them) and I knew Rich, Jeff and Geoff.

The one I kept to this day is a Rich built Stealth 12ER with a separate Tweeter (some of the earliest ER Cabs were built with a Twin cone speaker.)

I find the ER feature is useful for brightening up the tone in a dark room and I appreciate the extra warmth that the 12 delivers over the 10.

I used a Polytone Mimi-Brain, several Generations of the Acoustic Image Clarus, A Henriksen jazzamp head and a Quilter Mach 2 head in the past with my RE Stealth 12ER. At present, I use a Milkman The Amp 100 with it and the tone is superb for Jazz, Rock, Blues and Country.

[sgosnell]

The Eminence Beta speakers can be configured with a tweeter threaded into the back of the magnet, firing forward, and I've seen a few of those. I actually installed the tweeter that way, but I prefer the method normally used by RE, with the tweeter glued to the front baffle beside the Beta, and I returned my 10ER to that configuration after trying it through the Beta.

[Jazz4Four]

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I don't particularly like extra treble, but I was thinking the ER might provide added versatility for guitars other than archtops. If I'm understanding it correctly, the ER can be turned off and then the cab will sound the same as a non-ER.

[nevershouldhavesoldit]

The Eminence Beta speakers can be configured with a tweeter threaded into the back of the magnet, firing forward

I've seen them for sale. I assume the threaded stem is hollow and the sound comes through it and exits through the dust cone. It's a clever idea, but I've never seen one in an amp or heard how it sounds.

[sgosnell]

The Beta has a threaded hole in the center of the magnet, and the tweeter (this is a feature on many) has the outside diameter of the port threaded to match. The tweeter just screws into the back of the Beta (and other speakers with the feature) and fires forward through the center of the main speaker. It's useful if the tweeter is needed and space is limited around the speaker. The RE ER speakers have the same tweeter, but mounted in a hole in the baffle beside the main speaker, held in place by silicone adhesive. Either way is a choice.

And yes, the tweeter in the ER models can be turned off. The rheostat in the back of the cabinet can be rotated from full on to full off, and anywhere in between. You can get just a bare whisper of tweeter, or lots of it, , or none of it, depending on where you set the rheostat. The ER model costs more than the basic model because the tweeter and the crossover network are not free. A tweeter alone, at retail, is close to $100.

[Woody Sound]

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I don't particularly like extra treble, but I was thinking the ER might provide added versatility for guitars other than archtops. If I'm understanding it correctly, the ER can be turned off and then the cab will sound the same as a non-ER.

Correct. With the tweeter up full it's closer to (but not exactly) an FR speaker. You can dial in anything from Off to Full On and anything in between.