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Does it have aux in? I can't see on in the pictures.
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06-02-2019 10:42 AM
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So I did some maths ...
i don't believe I'm gonna lose much weight by building a speaker
So now I'm leaning towards one of these, a Vox BC108.
same sorta weight as the little Orange cab
but deeper and with a port on the back
also 2x jack inputs ....
and put in a Beta 8 I already own ....
Should get as loud/clean as I'll need with a drummer
(jazz not rock / fusion)
and weigh in at about 10-11 lbs total , total cost approx £260 !
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Try a TOOB...
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I've been away for a week or so, and suddenly this thread has sprung into life! Thanks for all of the responses.
Pingu, as it happens I have the TC BH250 head built into a bass amp combo, and it is also a great little amp, a bit bigger and heavier. I really like the toneprint options for bass (my module has two tone print controls), but in my opinion they are extremely limited for guitar as they really are designed with bass in mind, you can only download a few bass orientated models for this amp.
I find that the gain on the BAM is good for getting the guitar driving the amp effectively, but it is not a guitar amp so it is not designed to overdrive, we are talking clean sounds here. I suspect as with many digital amps that 200 watts is rather optimistic, but as another post states you can safely run this using a speaker rated 16 or 8 ohms with a lower power rating particularly if you are careful not to run the amp flat out. I can't envisage a setting where I would do this as it is plenty loud enough for small gigs at well under half volume.
Someone else asked about the eq. I find this depends a lot on the speaker you are driving. I've tried it with my Celestion tf0818, which doesn't give an overpowering bass no matter what you do. With a Celestion V30 in an open back cabinet, the bass is more present but not overpowering and the eq gives a good sweep of tone. With my bass 12" Eminence speaker it is more bass heavy but the cabinet is a ported design meant to emphasis those frequencies.
What I still love is that this amp fits in the pocket of my shoulder bag with my iPad ready for a gig. I'd love to have used it more to report back, but I am on drums at present while our regular drummer is away over the other side of the pond!
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Hi all! Have been away for a week and glad to see so much buzz around the BAM. Those looking for small/light speaker cabinets might be interested in the coming TOOB 6.5 line. Six pre-production units of these "Baby TOOBs" were made in April-May and and they all flew from my hands before a photo session - to NY jazz guitarists and bassists. I'm expecting a video or two from the users shortly. The 6.5 BG (Bass&Guitar) version will feature an Eminence Alphalite 6A speaker (8 ohm, 100W). While some details have yet to be nailed down, the weight should stop at under 5 lbs. The 6.5 G (guitar) will sport a Jensen P6V AlNiCo speaker (familiar from Fender Champ; 20W, 4 or 8 ohm) for a sweet vintage tone. Weight: around 4 lbs. Nothing on these on the toob.fi website yet, something and early photos on the Toobspeakercabinet FB pages.
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Wow 5lbs for the 6.5 BG ,
excellent work
how much they gonna cost Gitt?
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The TOOB 6.5 G will be around USD 200, the BG USD 260, plus freight. All hand made, no chance to compete with China, although we're cheaper in the sense that no-one has taken a cent out of the business yet. I'm hoping to find a distributor or at least a hub point in the U.S., because shipping individually is costly. Pooling three to a box will drop the shipping per unit to about USD 35. This is how it's been done with NY jazz cats so far.
Last edited by Gitterbug; 06-06-2019 at 03:32 PM.
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I hope they're back in stock soon, they were always going to be popular at that price. It's a bit nerve-wracking putting out a piece of improvisation in front of such a talented audience! I've done a very quickly recorded demo of the amp and speaker set up I mention at the beginning of this thread so you can get some impression of the sound. It's recorded straight to Logic through a condensor mic with no post processing. You can find the video here:
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The BAM200 is great with my TOOBs. I have a bass and guitar cab from them. Running my guitar pedalboard through the BAM200 into my TOOB guitar cabinet is great. Obviously not the same as going through my Mesa amps, but still pretty awesome. Obviously the BAM200 + a bass cabinet with a bass is awesome!
@Gitterbug
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update ... Update Originally Posted by pingu
i took the above setup to a quietish rehearsal yesterday
and blew up the JBL speaker
it just farts a lot now .....
oh dear ...... oh well we live and learn
don't try this at home kids ....
so im going to go with an Eminance Beta 8
in a small ported (peavey 6505 probably) cab
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Har !
I've just ordered the Peavey 1x8" cab ....
gonna load it with a Beta8
I'm 'stoked' as I believe our American friends might say
hope I don't blow it up too !
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well the cab arrived ....
I had to chisel a tiny bit of wood away
to get the Beta8a to fit
It seems to be well constructed .....
I've tried it out at home and it sounds good
very warm indeed !
I'll take it to a rehearsal this week so we'll see
how the balance is there ....
If there's too much woof I'll maybe block up
the hole/port on the back of the cab
making it infinite baffle ....
200 watt Amp + 1x8" Cab = approx 12lbs .....Last edited by pingu; 07-18-2019 at 08:36 PM.
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Well I tried it out at a rehearsal and it sounded really good ...
Also while I was at there ....
I tried the Bam200 with another very small speaker I had lying around
an Ariston 4080 8 ohms .... says 250watts on the back
moulded plastic case , pretty light and robust built very
similar to a JBL control1
i figured after my experience with blowing up the JBL
That it would probably blow ,
and I would end up putting in an Eminance Alpha5 8
ALPHA 5-8 - Loudspeakers | Eminence Speaker
the dimensions are about right
But anyway it worked and sounded great and didn't blow up !!
it had plenty of bottom end and warmth
Amp + 1x5" cab ........ 6lbs 12oz
my fiendish plan worked out !
I'm a bit obsessed with low weight
Im well pleased
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It does seem like an excellent choice if you double on bass eh? I play a bit of bass sometimes, but never had an amp, always plug in direct or at the clubs amp. Now if you could find a speaker+cab that would sound good for bass and guitar too! I've had good luck playing guitar through bass amps at rehearsals.
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I don't play any bass ...
but like yourself ive had good experiences playing
my guitar clean through various bass amps ....
so I believe that it's perfectly possible to use the same
amp for guitar and bass
For example
ive noticed that PJB
Products – Bass Combo Amps | Phil Jones Bass
and a other manufacturers use multiple small (5" in pjb's case)
speakers for their bass combos and enclosures
they seem to use a minimum of 2x5" speakers up to
huge multiples of these drivers for increased leval and power
but getting their bass sound from a small driver ....
(i believe the damping factor is higher with smaller drivers
which controls the end of the note better )
my small high power 1x5 cab
certainly has plenty of bottom end
which was a pleasant surprise
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ALPHA 5-8 - Loudspeakers | Eminence Speaker
update if anyone's bothered
Ive just come back from a reh with
drums bass keys guitar Sax
doubling some lines with the Sax , chords
a couple of solos etc
and the bam200 + a single 5" shoe box sized speaker
it worked out absolutely fine .....
(the above Alpha5 is similar to what I'm using similar spec etc
just in case anyone wants to build a decent sounding super light
super cheap rig for rehearsals and duo gigs etc)
dont hold me to any aesthetic benchmarks
im not saying it sounds like a polytone , bud , mambo , whatever
but it sounds clean , no breakup , at sufficient volume
just flat hi fi sounding , you can hear everything
hi , lo , middle etc all frequencies there and even
and it weighs 7lbs !!!
Sorry had to share that
maybe it's just me that's excited about it ...!
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Would love to a/b/c your tiny speaker with GK MB200 or Quilter Mini heads.
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Re Bam200 + Beta 8a in the Peavey 8" Cab
update ...... Originally Posted by pingu
I've just done a gig with the above setup ....
It sounded good , nice balance, not too much woof going on
However it's no better than the AER comp 60 I normally use
the comp60 it a bit more convenient on gigs being a combo
(and only a tiny bit heavier)
I'll probably keep using it for gigs with drums
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I'm still loving the BAM200 with the 5" speaker tho
as a small/light rig it's fab gear
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I reluctantly sing praise to a product with such a limited availability. Don't know the situation in the U.S., but in Europe I believe it's Thomann and a few other major traders only. Anyway, our sample arrived from the Big T a couple of days ago and has been lightly tested on both guitar and bass. Compared to G+K MB 200, the bass end is lighter, and maybe the stated 200W output is a bit optimistic. So for bass, my favorite remains the MB 200, which has a 4-band EQ and the contour switch. However, the BAM is perfectly adequate for the role, too. For guitar, the preference swings in favor of the BAM, which is warmer and less sterile. Haven't tried it with a reverb box yet, but believe that only a tad is needed. Overall, a very positive impression so far. The real test will come when the gigging season picks up after the summer lull.
The photo shows the BAM200 together with an advanced TOOB 6.5 GP (Guitar Ported) prototype. Ain't they sweet? While the BAM constitutes an obvious risk for a max. 20W Jensen, the max. 100W Eminence Alphalite 6A seems to take it well and produce nice jazz tones. At under 7 lbs., an utterly compact and portable rig fit for public transit and club gigs.
Disclaimer: The OP develops, makes and sells the TOOB line of ultra-light cabinets for guitar, bass and other musical instruments. A definitely non-profit activity...Last edited by Gitterbug; 08-14-2019 at 04:49 PM.
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Sounds like you've nailed it Gitterbug !
I'm running my BAM200 through
an eminance beta8 in a conventional wood cab (plenty loud but too heavy)
and a 5" Ariston injection moulded pa cab
(Sounds good but not quite loud enough for gigs with a drummer .... damn)
I think the Alphalite 6a might just be the Goldilocks zone
7lbs .... well done , we're free !
a guitarist could travel anywhere easily on public transport
with that rig .... Yes !
I predict you'll sell a lot of these 6.5GP Toobs
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sure are ! Originally Posted by Gitterbug
also it's good to have your initial affirmation of the BAM
as you have way more experience than me
with the many different lightweight amps around now
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I gave in and ordered a BAM; it's such a good price it's hard to resist. Wasn't expecting too much, but so far I agree, it sounds very good with not too much tweaking needed. I've compared it to GSS 100w head ( which I really like) and this sounds about the same, quite 'warm' ( that word again..). One has to wonder how thay can be so cheap and work so well. But, they seem to get warm quite quickly; there might even be a little fan lurking in that tiny casing.
About cab portability - I'm trying it through a GSS 10" cabinet, very compact and light @ 15lb and 12' x 12' x 11". Even I can carry that on a short trip. And it has croc skin covering..just like old Selmer amps. Speaker is a 100 db Ragin' cajun, a seriously loud guitar speaker, but very good with some treble cut, similar to a beta 10.
For anyone interested, I was sent a Barefaced guitar cab to try, fitted with their 200w bass speaker. This is a very interesting cabinet; it does what it says on the tin and really fills the room, with massive bass and very loud. I think in this config. it works really well for almost any style except jazz - the bass is so massive it overpowers the mids, and so the cab lacks punch and presence. They are sending some other speakers to try in it. Maybe the original guitar speakers will work better, we'll see. But it certainly fills a room, if that's what you want, Very light, too
Anyway, some progress towards that eventual goal of fab sound out of a 10lb set up...
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To Franz: With a standard 12" TOOB 12J and BAM, you'd be just 8 oz above the goal. A 10J with a cloth or rattan grill instead of metal will bring you right to the target. And, with a TOOB 6.5, loaded with a classy 100-130W speaker from Eminence or SICA/Jensen, you'll be at 6 lbs, the amp still included. The 6.5 line will be available in October, as soon as a subcontractor is up to speed with mass-produced 3D printed components. We are working on UK distribution but everybody seems paralyzed with Brexit. Direct sale is always an option (several units in UK already).
Cheers, Markku
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The TOOB products are definitely very innovative and interesting. And expensive!. The 6.5 unit is a good solution - it seems to have worked for the Bud/ Blu- but I'd want to know there would be enough volume with an inefficient 93 Db speaker in an unusual cabinet, and (eg) a BAM. But, I like the quirkiness/ innovation of the whole idea. Presumably the 12' units are aimed at other than jazzers.. Originally Posted by Gitterbug
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