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Mike: You are insulting me in public
and then you are calling me rude?
I shall take medicine?
You have experiences?Last edited by Tomtom67; 08-16-2018 at 09:00 AM.
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08-16-2018 08:19 AM
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Did you READ Mike's last reply? He DID NOT mention your screen name publicly, he is too gracious to do that but... you made your name public :-)
Originally Posted by Tomtom67
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Gary its obvious if you read all!
And why, by the way, is this person writing everything bold?
Isnt that against the roules of this venerable forum?
If someone screams all the time? ...Last edited by Tomtom67; 08-16-2018 at 04:21 PM.
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Big Mike has eye problems, and difficulty reading smaller typefaces, so he uses bigger. Many of us use larger type to answer him, so that he can read it more easily.
All I'm going to say is that you're teetering on the edge of my ignore file, and your arrogance is likely to get you into it. Obviously English is not your first language, so you should not be so certain of your prowess. But I'm afraid your ego won't allow you to listen to any criticism, so I expect you'll be in my ignore bin soon.
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Please, everybody calm down... :-)
Regarding Mike:
I know him from reading his comments over here was well as at Ibanez Collectors since years. You rarely find a nicer, more helpful guy in today's forumworld™. That said, I don't agree with him always, but that is what communication is for, exchange of ideas and opinions, you can always learn something.
OK he writes in bold letters, so what? (BTW yelling is CAPITAL letters)
So, phleease, lets all try to keep this nice place the nice place it is.
Thank you for your patience!
PS. Made this bold too, so Mike can read more easily.
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This thread is about yunzhi fretwork and not about my ego. If mike needs bold to read i apologise sincerely for thia aspect. I have 2000 health problems myself and i am the last to be arrogant. Maybe my englisch is just too bad. Can we please stopp this here? Otherwise i must find out how to close a thread
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just a casual observation from the outside. On a carved top guitar, when there are lots of obvious problems you can see, it's usually the tip of the iceberg. I would question the integrity of the joinery and other basics. Quality is quality. A craftsman typically doesn't release product with parts of the product at a high level and other parts at a dismal level.
If they do, that says something about their attention to detail IMO...
Anyone, not here to pick a fight and am not subscribing so don't feel a need to debate me...
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[QUOTE=jzucker;890660]just a casual observation from the outside. On a carved top guitar, when there are lots of obvious problems you can see, it's usually the tip of the iceberg. I would question the integrity of the joinery and other basics. Quality is quality. A craftsman typically doesn't release product with parts of the product at a high level and other parts at a dismal level.
If they do, that says something about their attention to detail IMO...
Anyone, not here to pick a fight and am not subscribing so don't feel a need to debate me...[/QUOTE
Jack you are A-1 correct. Not fight to pick either and it is the buyers money. But it will not be mine money.
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this is yelling.....
the software won't let you do it all in caps or I would. LOL...
See you fellas in a couple of weeks...
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i think this is a very good hint. there might be 2 qualiy levels in a factory far away. the one for exhibitions, showrooms, prof. players and dealers, and the other level for single no-name buyers from anywhere. this might explain why there are perfect items and bader models. and we should not forget that quality always suffers under growth pressure. if you cant raise the price, raise the output, lower the quality, take poor workers to maximise profits. thats the system .... Originally Posted by jzucker
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You would think Yunzhi/Wu might try and steal someone from the QC dept. at various Chinese guitar makers...I mean, I've bought two Chinese guitars that retailed uner $500 in the past year and both had fretwork that was pretty much perfect!!
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I have bought a chinese headless guitar for usd 280 last year and an real epiphone sg $180 from china both with perfect fretwork, so yes .... thats what u believe to be allowed to expect nowadays. Fretwork can even be replaced, so its not the end of a guitar and i wish that would be my main issue with hollowbody guitars. But at a certain (price)level, it shouldnt even be a point. Maybe cause the construction is very work intensive in this guitarfield its the something for nothing theme here again.
Last edited by Tomtom67; 08-17-2018 at 04:39 AM.
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Gary its obvious if you read all! ???? Originally Posted by Tomtom67
I don't know what thread YOU are following, but I DID!
Mike in previous posts said...
Welcome to the forum TomTom67... >>SNIP<<
You got a great guitar, it just needs to be correctly setup.
AND
Good looking guitar !!! >>SNIP<<
Show us the back ok ??? You did real good.
CONGRATULATIONS !!
So it seems as if I DID look at the previous page and not one single thing did Mike say about you personally or attack you in previous posts nor was he calling you out by name, quite the opposite he was very much being helpful.
Your reply to me was just as rude.
I get language barriers and with many members here from around the globe we all are sensitive to it, but hiding behind a "language barrier" after making rude and uncalled for statements is and was wrong.
And YES I DID read the following comments about Mike writing in bold and all I can say is that since Mike made those later comments about some UN-named person he had reasons which are still becoming abundantly clear every time you type.
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Over the years, I've purchased 3 different Yunzhi's, none of them had fret issues. No neck issues.
I've purchased 1 Wu - It required minimal fret finishing work. No neck issues.
Buying any guitar we shouldn't expect something for nothing.
Gas, grass, or *ss, no one rides for free -
Translation: If you want a guitar to arrive perfect then be prepared to plop down $5k or more, and even then there's no guarantee. But buy a bargain Chinese built guitar at a bargain price, be prepared to spend up to $500 to dial in that guitar. If you're not prepared to do that don't purchase that guitar.
And BM could not be more correct. A simple google search would have revealed fret and electronic issues known to each of the above guitars. This identical information has been noted on this forum over, and over, and over again. But we get it, it's much easier to point the finger of blame rather than accept responsibility for not doing our own due diligence. But then there's those other 3 fingers pointing back at ourselves whenever we point outward...if we choose to notice.
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thats because "the majors" like epi, guild, squier, gretsch etc etc all use automated/cnc/plek driven modern factory technology only...very little hand skilled labor...all precision machinery Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
sure yunzhi is doing things by hand..can be a dangerous approach these days..unless you have super skilled labor force..& those are very few & far between...why we revere the greats like d'angelico, jimmy D, borys. elferink. monteleone, benedetto, trenier, slaman etc etc ...the masters
cheers
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The OP politely suggested that the conversation could come to an end in post #36. Perhaps it’s time to heed this request.
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friend tomtom67 posted a couple after that himself!!..we're all just becoming acquainted...hah Originally Posted by Dedalus
internet/language barriers and being new to the personalities of the forum can sometimes initially cause fireworks..i've seen it here countless times..but most of the time these flare ups work themselves out...since ultimately we all love guitars...why we are here..a jazz guitar oasis
cheers
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I acknowledge the appeal of Yunzhi and its spin-offs for some buyers, but I think they're being let off the hook a bit too easily.
I wouldn't expect needing Jimmy D'Aquisto's mastery (or that of a computer) to produce a new guitar with playable frets. My local tech/luthier can equip nearly any old guitar with perfect frets and a new bone nut for $300. I'll bet he's one of hundreds like him in all regions of the U.S. So a company that literally is in business to make guitars really needs that skill set to be mastered, IMHO.
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you misread me completely..not condoning the shoddy qc..merely explaining why a 89$ squier doesn't have the same problems..perfect frets, action etc
cheers
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Neatomic, I read the whole thread - I was not actually replying to you despite posting right after you.
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cheers
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Speaking of appeal. The best sounding acoustic w/ floater archtop I've ever owned was a lowly Loar LH650 archtop.
Seems that its previous owner, a forum member, got the bright idea of swapping out its stock floater for a Bartolini 5J, and then installed a Bill Gagnon Cherrywood bridge. That guitar literally kicked electrified acoustic sand in the face of all others I've owned. I've never again experienced a comparable sound of amplified wood since that guitar experience. But then again, I've only owned a few, unlike some of you.
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Exactly. Building guitars is their core business. They should deliver it blind Originally Posted by rpguitar
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Originally Posted by neatomic
Point taken. And I’ve seen it countless times before on other hobby forums as well. Think I’ll sit back and just take in the oasis.
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