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Between my Strat and Tele, that represents 90% of my playing time. I should really get rid of my other guitars.
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01-06-2018 10:29 PM
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I own a standard strat and tele, plus a killing $150 Yamaha pacifica tele w/humbuckers. These represent most of my playing of the past 15 years, including big band.
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You can always find counter examples
Originally Posted by John A.
, but for every strat guy in rock there will be at least 5 guys sporting humbuckers. There is a reason for this.
Just like you can always point to Ed Bickert with his tele and Bill Frisell with his SG when it comes to jazz, but again there is a reason why by far the biggest majority sport a hollow box.
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I prefer singles, but I like having guitars that cover all the pickup configs. I think of them as different tools for different applications. Playing Pink Floyd or Clapton on a Les Paul seems as wrong to me as playing Guns N Roses on a Strat. Originally Posted by Lobomov
You can always find counter examples, but for every strat guy in rock there will be at least 5 guys sporting humbuckers. There is a reason for this.
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Originally Posted by Boston Joe
Hmmm...
Seriously, I know what you mean. But a lot of folks have misperceptions about who recorded what with which. For instance, I did not know until fairly recently that the Stairway to Heaven solo was a Tele. Funk 49 was a Tele. The Larry Carlton solo in Kid Charlemagne was a Tele.
In fact, the default answer to what guitar was played on that famous solo is probably a Tele LOL...
One can't escape the default observation that a classic LP tone is fat, Epi Casino is jangly, Strat is bright and springy, Tele is twangy, etc. though.
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I knew the other two, but I always thought Kid Charlemaigne was on a 335. Huh.
If you really listen, Stairway to Heaven sounds like a Tele. People are used to seeing pictures of Jimmy Page with a Les Paul, though, so they assume he never played anything else.
A lot of what's unexpected on those records are the amps, too. IIRC, I remember reading that Hendrix liked to use Fender amps in the studio, and Stairway to Heaven, IINM, was though a tiny Supro amp.
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Kid Charlemagne was a Tele? I've never heard that before. Does Carlton say that in an interview somewhere? Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
Hmmm...
Seriously, I know what you mean. But a lot of folks have misperceptions about who recorded what with which. For instance, I did not know until fairly recently that the Stairway to Heaven solo was a Tele. Funk 49 was a Tele. The Larry Carlton solo in Kid Charlemagne was a Tele.
In fact, the default answer to what guitar was played on that famous solo is probably a Tele LOL...
One can't escape the default observation that a classic LP tone is fat, Epi Casino is jangly, Strat is bright and springy, Tele is twangy, etc. though.
Hendrix used a greater variety of guitars and amps than most people realize, but the plurality is Strats and Marshalls. In general, though, it's common for people known for playing stacks to record with smaller amps.
Another one: Derek and the Dominoes is all Champs and Princetons.
John
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Thanks for the info on the tele style there Jazzbow Originally Posted by jazzbow
That's seems to have everything I'd like on a
Tele style right there rosewood neck ,
chamfers on the back and top
Would it work OK for a Ed Bickert type sound
do you think ?
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Oops, sorry, my bad...he did play the 335 on Kid Charlemagne...
Chattin'''''' with Mr.335
I think what confused me was some video I had seen of him playing a Tele:
He still sounds like LC though!
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Maybe it depends on where you are and what you mean by rock. The roots and R&B flavored stuff I gravitate toward (and my tastes in more "classic" stuff) is probably close to evenly split. In my observation, it's very common to see two guitar line-ups with one single coil and one humbucker, or a Strat and a Tele. It goes way beyond the occasional counter example. And in Jazz, I think this forum is a somewhat distorted archtop-heavy picture. The real world of people playing jazz in public is much more eclectic in guitar/gear choices than conversation here makes it seem. Tons of people where I live play various solid bodies and semi-hollows, with archtops probably in the minority. Originally Posted by Lobomov
You can always find counter examples, but for every strat guy in rock there will be at least 5 guys sporting humbuckers. There is a reason for this.
Just like you can always point to Ed Bickert with his tele and Bill Frisell with his SG when it comes to jazz, but again there is a reason why by far the biggest majority sport a hollow box.
JohnLast edited by John A.; 01-07-2018 at 06:46 PM.
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Yup, he does. I saw him a bunch of times in the late 80s and 90s, and he was mostly not playing 335's; he was trying out different guitars in those days. I remember seeing him play the Valley Arts signature guitar, Strats, Teles, a couple of different Les Pauls, and a Guild M75. He also played the Valley Arts acoustic a lot with a sound hole pickup. He played Dumbles every time, except once he played a Tweed fender. Always, though he sounded like himself. Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
John
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If I had to use only one guitar for rock, it would be a Strat. Countless examples of great rock music has been performed using a Strat. Think: David Gilmore, Robin Trower, Jimi, Rory Gallagher, SRV, Jeff Beck, Eric Johnson, Richie Blackmore, Dick Dale, etc...
In addition, one can't get that quack from a LP or Tele e.g. Robbie Blount on Robert Plant's Big Log or Robert Cray.
I own two Fender Strats, one being early 90's 57' reissue with a Warmoth ebony neck, Suhr single pickups and a Wilkerson 6 hole trem
The other being a Yngwie Malmsteen model with again a Warmoth ebony neck, stock stacked fender pickups and a Bladerunner trem. The Bladerunner is the best trem I have owned. This guitar covers all the bases. I float the bridge on both guitars. I prefer the tone and feel of a floating trem. I use 10 D'Addario Pure Nickel on all my solid bodies.
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Strats are the most *comfortable* which can be a consideration for many. The body contours for belly and right forearm are spot on, and add to that futuristic design they were going for originally. I have a lot of Strats, mostly with 2 HB + vol/vol/tone + 3 way switch.
I like the sound of the six screw tremolo better than the others, I use Callaham trems and can make them work OK. I do concede that if I was using the trem a lot more, I'd perhaps look at another type, maybe the Bladerunner.. but a Callaham is the best sound to me, I use their Vintage Narrow as that string spacing works best for me. I also have an old Kahler trem Strat to use if I feel the need to make heavy use of a trem, but it compromises the tone, so that's not my first choice for clean full sound. For a Strat, the tremolo can be an important part of the sound, even if you are not going to use the bar.
John
Here's that 1980's Warmoth / Kubicki Strat with Kahler, leather dyes for sunburst on alder, under clear lacquer:
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Guitar? Might depend on what kind of rock you are thinking, how you want to play and which setup, pedals and stuff. For me the tele wins mostly. If I were to try something new - a multitool something - it would probably be a 2nd hand strat type bodied Ibanez with whammy, buckers and coil split. And a delicious dark wood slim profile neck.
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Teeps has good advice. It's ultimately going to depend upon what kind of rock you are planning on playing.
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Tele or Strat? Like the little girl says, "why not both?" By which I mean a "Nashville" Tele, like my my "Stele" - a knockoff Tele-type with a third Strat-type pup in the middle position, a gift from my wife, who was quite taken with the turquoise finish and loves my '66 Custom Telecaster.
Off to the tech to get a new nut, pots, a 5-way switch, an intonated 3-barrel bridge, shielding. etc, and boom! A do-anything-but-whammyjammy-jobs SAK.
I no longer gig, but if I did, this would fill the bill for what I do. Neck pup - sweet, clean, and clear or warm and smooth with a twist of a knob. N+M has a nice clear quack which morphs into something else with the aforementioned knobbery - a wider, complex interaction of parallel, slightly out-of-synch signals generating comb-filtering lushness that enhances any vibrato. M by itself is SRV territory - crisp, hot, and defined. M+B gives a tighter and brighter version of position 2 - a "lead" tone complementary to 2's "rhythm" tone, if you will. The bridge pup is as ice-picky as anyone could ask for.
All of these positions take to various degrees of overdrive well, one might say, eagerly (I'm having a lot of fun these days with a Joyo American pedal).
I'm not sure if Fender has such a model, but with the wealth of aftermarket options available, it could certainly be done.
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Here is Carlton playing some of his famous solo's on a Valley Arts Strat
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I had a butterscotch blonde Squier CV Tele that I regret selling because it was dynamite at any price. I thought I wanted another Strat so I got a Squier Vintage Modified 70's that sounds great but has nowhere near the feel of the CV Tele.
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The basic difference between Strats and Teles? Strats have a trem bar and Tele's don't, and trems are indispensable for some music like Surf music. Tele's, on the other hand, just plain feel good to play -- dare I say mojo.
I own both, play both. My most cherished solid body guitar is a 61 Strat. But when a gig calls for a solid body electric, my "go to" guitar is a Nash Tele.
For rock music, either will do.
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