EMILY REMLER tone anyone?

**whiskey02** · 10-23-2017, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Sam Sherry

Not generic at all.

Let's assume that it's not the early 70s anymore so unlike Ms. Remler you aren't going to hack holes in a P90-built guitar.

Very few Gibson guitars are specced @ 24.75" scale / thin / full-hollow / humbucker-equipped. AFAIK there's only the ES-175T and the ES-350T (some of which have the long scale). Both are uncommon and costly. The Epi Sorrento is hollow but has mini-humbuckers -- a nice sound but not quite on the mark.

Then factor in double-cutaway and it's a total non-starter. The 335 has a block. The Epiphone Riviera has a block.

I think she did good. Maybe it's time for Gibson to release an Emily Remler Model?

Not sure but I thought the Es 336 meets your second paragraph specs?

**Sam Sherry** · 10-23-2017, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by whiskey02

Not sure but I thought the Es 336 meets your second paragraph specs?

Thanks for the thought.

The ES-336 and -339 are small-body 335s -- the 336 and 339 are 13" wide and 16" long, as opposed to 16 x 20" for 3x5 guitars. Both the 336 and the 339 have a center-block.

Look, fundamentally these guys all sound like guitars and reflect the strengths and weaknesses of the operator. On a gig the sonic difference between a "Remlered" 330-with-PAFs and a full-depth ES-175 is very modest (and the sonic difference between a 335 and a 336 is non-existent). But gearheads (like me) enjoy making a lot out of a little, right?

Cherchez le difference! It's either that or work on playing better . . .

+ + +

I spent the afternoon binging on Emily Remler sides. She had so much going on, and she kept getting better as time moved ahead. RIP

**Max405** · 10-23-2017, 10:29 PM

Oh what a beautiful player.
Those octaves.. my god she was a complete guitarist.

**Meggy** · 10-24-2017, 03:48 AM

A wonderful guitarist, and terribly sad loss to jazz - what would she be sounding like now is something I do wonder from time to time.

Re the gear (I suspect she would be smiling at us, because on more than one occasion I think she advised that it really was pretty unimportant) but I think on the Emily website somewhere it states that she largely used D'Addario half-round strings, rather than flatwounds (11's maybe, just possibly 12's) and to my ears, there is often an attractive, if subtle, steely brightness to her sound - so maybe this has a little to do with that. But that might have been later than the Firefly album anyhow, just can't be sure.

**Greentone** · 10-25-2017, 09:37 PM

Cunamara hit the nail on the head! Emily Remler was one of the most "time-conscious" players I ever heard. When she played, she radiated a time feel that was so strong it was like the "force was with her."

The other player who comes immediately to mind for me in this regard is Joe Pass. Either Joe Pass or Emily Remler could play a bar or two of just one note, really, and I am bowled over by the bold expression of rhythm/time.

Both players were just BOOMING out time feel, even on the soft passages. Playing with them would be a dream come true...no push/pull.

**Hammertone** · 10-25-2017, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Sam Sherry

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Very few Gibson guitars are specced @ 24.75" scale / thin / full-hollow / humbucker-equipped. AFAIK there's only the ES-175T and the ES-350T (some of which have the long scale). Both are uncommon and costly. The Epi Sorrento is hollow but has mini-humbuckers -- a nice sound but not quite on the mark.
Then factor in double-cutaway and it's a total non-starter….Maybe it's time for Gibson to release an Emily Remler Model?

ES-350T had a Byrdland scale (23 1/2"). The later reissue had an ES-350 scale (25 1/2").
Heritage H-525 (with humbuckers instead of P-90s) seems like an easy way to get Remlerized. I like the 15th fret neck joint.

**Little Jay** · 11-01-2017, 05:01 PM

I tried to imitate her tone on Sweet Georgie Fame. Does it come close?

Here's her original:

**Greentone** · 11-01-2017, 05:04 PM

Little Jay, that sounds great.

**Little Jay** · 11-02-2017, 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by Greentone

Little Jay, that sounds great.

Thanks Greentone!

**newzappa** · 11-02-2017, 04:16 PM

Sounds a lot like Emily to me and I’m deeply into her music - well played! It’s definitely a hip tune and I like the intro she added.

**Little Jay** · 11-02-2017, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by newzappa

Sounds a lot like Emily to me and I’m deeply into her music - well played! It’s definitely a hip tune and I like the intro she added.

Thanks! The way Emily played it is nice in the way that it's almost a complete chord melody, it works well for solo guitar too. She did this with more tunes, In A Sentimental Mood for example (ha, that will be the next one to transcribe! ;-)

**goldenwave77** · 11-02-2017, 04:49 PM

Very good playing...phrasing and sense is right there.

(If I didn't know, I might have thought it was her playing...the bigger body guitar...you can kind of hear the slightly rounder sound.

Someday...a 150-type guitar for me....I think these non-cutaways have the own thing going on soundwise, that others don't quite get...)

But back to the main point, the music itself....great playing!

And Hank Jones...another Detroit guy...God there are so many great players out of that city.

**Little Jay** · 11-03-2017, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by goldenwave77

Very good playing...phrasing and sense is right there.

(If I didn't know, I might have thought it was her playing...the bigger body guitar...you can kind of hear the slightly rounder sound.

Someday...a 150-type guitar for me....I think these non-cutaways have the own thing going on soundwise, that others don't quite get...)

But back to the main point, the music itself....great playing!

And Hank Jones...another Detroit guy...God there so many great players out of that city.

Thanks! I have no experience with the 150, but a 125 can do just about anything!