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I'm at the point where I'm just going to get a headphone amp with EQ because I can't find any headphones which sound mellow for jazz guitar.
Thoughts?
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08-26-2017 11:17 AM
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My favorites for plugging into my guitar amp have extended bass, which is what you'll probably want. I'm using some B&O Form 2i over the ear type. They are really comfortable and give me the fullness I want from my guitar while playing with them on. Beware, though, they use a triple ring plug because they are intended for use with a iPhone or iPad, and the cable is relatively short. An adapter to take it to a regular stereo extension cable can be hard to find, and stupidly expensive for what it is.
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i think I just need a headphone amp with eq but they are difficult to find in the usa unless you want something like the behringer rack unit
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have you tried any of the Bose headphones? I've had a pair for a long time and they are very flat like their speakers are.
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I find with a half decent pair of phones (currently Beyerdynamic DT990) any phones or line out signal from an amp is too shrill - even the slightest hint of overdrive sounds like a wasps' nest. This includes all the amps I have ever had that boasted speaker simulation on the line out. I felt I was on a fruitless search to be able to play with headphones, but finally the solution that works for me is this:
Behringer MINIFBQ FBQ 800 equalizer
The "phones out" signal from my amp goes through this twice -i.e through the the left channel and then through the right, before going to the small mixer to which my phones are connected. The settings replicate the freq resp of a typical guitar speaker (in my case a Cannabis Rex), with the 8kHz and 16kHz sliders set to -12dB - i.e. a total of 24 dB reduction. I also boost the mid range and play with bass to taste, depending on which guitar I am playing.
I was a little reluctant buy Behringer, but there were a number of good online reviews from sound engineers who had used them and were pleasantly surprised. For around $100 it seemed worth a try. It's still not the same as listening to the amp through a speaker, but at least I can now practice silently without the prohibitively tinny tone I used to get.Last edited by newsense; 08-26-2017 at 12:59 PM.
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i have the quiet comfort ones but they are bright and tinny for tracking guitar
Originally Posted by docbop
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that's cool but will it take headphone output as input? because i'd be putting it between a headphone out and my headphones.
Originally Posted by newsense
I find with a half decent pair of phones (currently Beyerdynamic DT990) any phones or line out signal from an amp is too shrill - even the slightest hint of overdrive sounds like a wasps' nest. This includes all the amps I have ever had that boasted speaker simulation on the line out. I felt I was on a fruitless search to be able to play with headphones, but finally the solution that works for me is this:
Behringer MINIFBQ FBQ 800 equalizer
The "phones out" signal from my amp goes through this twice -i.e through the the left channel and then through the right, before going to the small mixer to which my phones are connected. The settings replicate the freq resp of a typical guitar speaker (in my case a Cannabis Rex), with the 8kHz and 16kHz sliders set to -12dB - i.e. a total of 24 dB reduction. I also boost the mid range and play with bass to taste, depending on which guitar I am playing.
I was a little reluctant buy Behringer, but there were a number of good online reviews from sound engineers who had used them and were pleasantly surprised. For around $100 it seemed worth a try. It's still not the same as listening to the amp through a speaker, but at least I can now practice silently without the prohibitively tinny tone I used to get.
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I've never actually tried plugging the phones into the EQ, as I always run through the mixer to add backing tracks, but I wll try it - unfortunately that will be Wednesday evening as I am away from my gear for a long weekend.
There is no dedicated phones out, just left and right outputs;
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EHX.com | Headphone Amp - Personal practice amplification | Electro-Harmonix
I have one of these. No EQ, but dead quiet. I suppose that you could put an EQ pedal in front of it.
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That's cool but not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for something to monitor my guitar sounds as I'm recording. I'm already using an axefx into a focusrite 18i8 so basically i'm looking to take the headphone output of that and make it more mellow.
Originally Posted by lammie200
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Samson — S-phone
I have this one. It is a one unit rackmount unit and has 4 headphone ins and outs. Maybe bigger than you want, but - it has treble and bass control on each channel.
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I have a pair of Blue Mo-Fi, over ear with a built in Fiio amp. There is a 6db boost at 50hz available that I rarely use. Comes with a variety of cables, 1/8" 3 ring, 1/4" stereo, even an airplane plug. Unusual suspension makes them weigh about a lb but very comfortable for long periods. About 10 hours of battery life per recharge.
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i ended up buying the behringer headphone amp which has bass and treble. I'll report my findings when I get it.
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(I don't have an axefx)
I think the axefx has 2 outputs with the headphone out monitoring one if the two. Maybe you could route the headphone-monitored out through an additional EQ-block and record from the other output?
But I don't know if this is possible.
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i'm not just monitoring axefx. I need to monitor the mix too but I'm just going to use the behringer..
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Maybe i missed it, are you saying that if you run the axefx through a solid state amp the guitar sounds fine, but when you listen frpm tha axefx directly through headphones it is tinny?
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Originally Posted by Bobby Marshall
the axefx sounds fine through powered speakers or my studio ref amp/studio monitors but if I monitor with headphones off the studio console it's tinny.
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You want a pair of these: Clear, flat and the best cans you can get for under 200$
Audio-Technica US
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link doesn't work... Originally Posted by Tehzim
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My bad. I guess it got clipped. They are ATH-M50x. Try this link. ATH-M50x Professional Monitor Headphones || Audio-Technica US Originally Posted by jzucker
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FYI
Head-Fi.org
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In my experience the better the quality of the phones, the worse is the problem that Jack has defined!
You really need phones with poor frequency response above 8kHz, as most phone-outs, even so-called cab simulated outputs, do not correct enough for the poor high frequency response of guitar speakers.
Also, you need to take care to match the impedance of your phones to the output impedance of your amp. If the phones have low impedance as is used for listening to ipods etc, you may get a very flubby bass from a higher impedance modelling device. (This doesn't seem to be Jack's specific issue though).
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in my case I'm plugging the headphones into a dedicated headphone jack on my focusrite 18i8 and using sennheiser 598 phones which were recommended by someone else as a good set of phones for tracking guitar. I think part of the problem is that most guys think of overdriven or strat type sounds for tracking guitar. Jazz guitar sounds are a more rare case.
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Jack - I believe your phones are well matched to the Focusrite. For best fidelity the load impedance needs to be somewhat higher than the source. Your phones out jack is 10 ohms whereas your phones are 50 ohms, which is probably sufficient. You can get higher impedance phones: my BD 990s are 250 ohms - great if you have enough current to drive them, which I'm sure the Focusrite would have.
I ran into bass problems in the past when I matched a pair of 22 ohm Sennheisers to a Boss GT-001, which has a 45 ohm phones out socket. Not good.
Is your definition of tinny "too much treble" or "not enough bass" ?
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yes, my tinny == too much treble , not enough lows and mids. I get the headphone amp with eq in a couple days! Hopefully that solves the problem at the expense of making the rest of the mix sound muddy ....
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