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Just checked, there are some more differences:
What is the difference between the AA763 and AB763 circuit for a Super Reverb
But all small changes and easy to try. Who knows, maybe the AA763 circuit sounds a bit better for us jazzers?
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07-31-2017 02:42 PM
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Yes, there are other differences. No grid resistors on the AA. Standard 1.5k grid resistors on the AB. The AB changes the point where the tremelo is tied into the power amp. It isn't directly varying the grid bias of the two 6v6 tubes. IIRC, voltages might be a bit lower on the AA...browner amp with easier breakup.
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Oh, yes. The oldest DR I ever played had an alnico magnet Jensen, IIRC.
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George Allessandro has been gutting and rewiring reissues for some time now.
I use original Fenders but you can get a handwired DRRI from him for $1750.
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I've really wanted to check out one of Allessandro's DRRI upgraded amps! However, too many 18 - 22 watt amps in my home (and a 'somewhat' understanding wife) have prevented further exploration.
Originally Posted by wintermoon
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For people in Europe, the new PTP DR may be a good thing. Vintage blackface and silverface DR's are nearly impossible to find here and if you find them, they have a big price tag. Export models with voltage switch I haven't seen offered at all in recent years. Most good DR clones are hardly available here and I would be reluctant to order overseas without playing it first. Not to mention shipping and customs.
I'm not impressed by the PCB reissues so I'd love to try one once they are issued.
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+1 Good deal for Europe
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Ritter Amps, Germany: Blackface Price List - RITTER Amplification
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Best thing about a hand wired Deluxe Reverb over a DRRI is it will be sooooooo much easier to remove the bright cap on the vibrato channel - then you'll have a great sounding jazz amp.
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Hey, wait a minute! The Fender '57 Custom Tweed Pro (1x15) amp has 26 watts and costs the same $2,499 as the hand wired DR.
Sure, it doesn't have reverb, but it does have more headroom...And that tweed is so sexy!
Choices, choices...!!
Fender '57 Custom Pro, 120V
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Originally Posted by MaxTwang
Or what I read is a good tech can add one wire and you get reverb on both channels so you get one channel with the bright and one without.
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On my DRRI I route the reverb output to Channel 1 which gives me tonal control over the reverb. Originally Posted by docbop
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The "custom" mod Deluxe Reverb's should have had is a pull bright switch on the volume or treble control.
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Thinking about the pricing of the '64 Handwired Deluxe Reverb vs other hardwired Fenders (tweed deluxe, tweed pro, EC Tremolux, etc.) the $2,499 price isn't bad considering the labor, and tubes, required for 2 channels, reverb and vibrato. Hand populating an eyelet board isn't too bad, hand wiring all those jacks (front and back), pots and tube sockets is a PITA.
The handwired Tweed Custom Champ for $999 might be a cool little home amp - especially with a 10" or 12" extension cab and a dealer who will give a 15% - 20% discount!
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I don't think the pricing on the handwired Fender amps is out of line. I used to build and sell amps. Unless you are sourcing the labor in Asia and using the very lowest cost components, the basic cost of the Champ, Deluxe, Deluxe Reverb, Tremolux, etc., amps is pretty sobering.
Here's hoping that Fender will revive a few more of its great amps from the 60s. I'd like to see a small cabinet, tone ring, Showman Amp, a Super Reverb, a Twin Reverb, and an early Tremolux--maybe the one with the 6v6 tubes.
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Originally Posted by Greentone
I'd say at the quantity that Fender builds and buys parts in their is way below others. The bulk of the amp is probably made in China then the hand inserting and soldering is done here, then final assembly. Probably slow first day(s) of production run, but speedup rapidly after that. Those guys who run Fender now don't do anything unless the profit margins are good and R&D cost for a reissue amp is minimal mainly how much can we automate to minimize the hand labor. They probably have a fair bit tied up in marketing expense running the numbers to estimate size of market, how long before market saturation, and effect on sales of other Fender amps. Then how much word of mouth will sell the amps and how much $$$ needed for ad campaign and dealer promotion. Corporate life is fun at first, but gets old fast.
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Amen, brother! Originally Posted by docbop
Oh, are we still talkin' bout amps?
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Originally Posted by Greentone
Add Princeton Reverb to that list (although it'd be tough to make new ones for less than the current price of a 70's Silverface).
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+1 Princeton Reverb
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Used can be a pain in the a$$ Originally Posted by Cavalier
Will the seller let you look under the hood to see if there are parts swapped out or mods done?
Even if he did, would you know what to look for? Are you an amp tech?
All original means it's due for a cap job soon.
Chances are the speaker is either changed or pretty weak.
Pretty hard to make a quality hand-wired combo under $2500 and make money.
Allen makes a great DR style amp for $1800 + shipping but they take a kicking on resale.
You get a 5 year warranty, service across NorAm, and the Fender name.
The big positive for a pristine vintage amp is that it will probably increase in value.
But a truly good one is hard to find and they are selling north of $2500.
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+1 on everything DRS said.
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I'd stick with the original. And I'm actually my own tech. A proven working amp is pretty unlikely to need a warranty. We'll see how those new components hold up! As to the speaker I'd put the original away and run a new one.
I wish them luck and am glad they are doing this. The Euro markets made sense and I'm sure lots of people in the US will consider the premium. For my money though I'd spend less than a grand and get a silverface twin. Rough around the edges but sweet inside.
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No need for me to purchase one as I have an original '64 Deluxe Reverb (caps and speaker replaced) and '64 Stratocaster to go with it.
Last edited by Forensbro; 09-13-2017 at 10:52 AM.
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Forensbro,
GREAT RIG! You aren't going to find a better rig, overall, than that one. I used to play my '65 Stratocaster through a '66 DR. Admittedly, the Strat was an "L" serial number (I think that is transitional. Small headstock, but probably CBS.), and the DR was blackface but CBS era. Nonetheless, the rig was _exceptional_. A Stratocaster sounds tip-top through a blackface Deluxe Reverb.
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I couldn't agree with you more Greentone. I'd love to say that my '64 Strat is all original, but alas when you are young and in the midst of the 70s, you think nothing about modding your guitars. However, I had the foresight to keep all of the hardware, tuners, pots, pickguard and aluminum pickguard shield. I never liked the red paint so I stripped it and had it professionally painted Burgundy Mist. Part of the reason I modded the guitar is because 2 of the pups died on me, but I kept those too and had them re-wound when I restored the guitar back to original except for the paint.
Long ago I had the Deluxe Reverb tolex replaced because it was in shreds. The speaker got replaced with a 12" Weber when a hole got punched in the cone from the rear when the band was moving equipment in the trailer. The caps were all replaced because they began to leak and the amp was starting to sound horrible.
But together the '64 Strat and '64 Deluxe Reverb sound magical which is more than I can say for my playing these days. I do love pairing some of my archtops with the Deluxe Reverb and it's a great amp for jazz.Last edited by Forensbro; 09-13-2017 at 01:22 PM.
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