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    Look at this pic.

    reverb seller denies repaired headstock-seslasejs3ml0ds0hhts-jpg

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    Hard to tell from that photo, but I guess it might be possible that no repair was done. Certainly cracked, but I wouldn't swear to a repair.

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    Looks to me like guitar hanger damage and a partial break, so him saying it was NOT repaired may not be a lie, in any event damaged it is and if that pic and description was not in the listing there is a serious ethical issue there.

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    What did the original listing show?

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    original listing mentioned nothing about the crack so yes, it's possible it wasn't repaired but assuming he is not the original owner, how would he know? The basic disconnect is that it's got a big-ass crack that wasn't disclosed . Basically, I had emailed him a few questions but then upon cycling through the pictures saw this crack and sent him a followup saying "nevermind, not interested in a repaired headstock instrument" and he replied back that it wasn't a repaired headstock. When I replied back asking him to explain the crack, he never replied back.

    https://reverb.com/item/1308333-gibs...-1959-sunburst

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    ​Hell it's not worth going for - if you're uncomfortable about something and YOU don't feel the seller is forthcoming then it's a no brainer. Keep looking. There is so much great stuff out there for sale super cheap...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMikeinNJ
    ​Hell it's not worth going for - if you're uncomfortable about something and YOU don't feel the seller is forthcoming then it's a no brainer. Keep looking. There is so much great stuff out there for sale super cheap...
    I agree entirely with Big Mike. If you are uncomfortable or in doubt just pass. I passed on a gorgeous guitar last week because of evasive answers to some simple basic questions. There are plenty of good instruments and honest sellers- just be patient .

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    I can just imagine - " What crack ?? " ..then, " Well it depends what your definition of ' repair' is "....." Why, you asked if it had a repaired headstock crack - - and this blemish is at the uh volute thing "...." yeah that's what it is- -it's at that uh volute portion, the area which is susceptible to uh weather checking - -yeah - that's what it is -- -weatherchecking. "

    Pass on this one and the guy selling it.


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    finally heard back from him. When I asked him for pictures of the side so I could see if there is any top sinkage and for an explanation of the cracked headstock his reply was, "rather than send you pictures or give you an explanation, i'll just say that this is probably not the right guitar for you."

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    Well, he is probably correct in that this isn't an instrument you'd want to buy. Me, neither...

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    Man, if that wasn't repaired, it won't be playable -- it won't hold tune, and you'll pull the headstock apart sharpening the bass strings as they keep falling slack.

    I'd put money on it being cracked -- look where it turns north to run between the tuners, I'm thinking it fell and landed on the bass side of the headstock. This discoloration might be from a hanger ... or it might be from a crummy refin of the area after the obvious partial break was reset (which would also speak to the overall quality of the repair, in my mind, as well).

    I hope no one else falls for this. It's not that a repaired guitar is a bad purchase -- but a seller so patently dissimulative is one to be avoided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agentsmith
    Basically, I had emailed him a few questions but then upon cycling through the pictures saw this crack and sent him a followup saying "nevermind, not interested in a repaired headstock instrument"
    You contacted him with interest before you even looked at the pictures?

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    It has already been mined for all its important parts, as disclosed in the ad - pickups, bridge, tuners, pots, knobs.
    Last edited by Hammertone; 09-25-2016 at 09:30 AM.

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    Just because it has a crack doesnt mean it wont stay in tune. I had an old LP Jr. that had a crack in about the same place and the guitar stayed in tune just fine. It depends on just how bad the crack is. But as mentioned already, its been relieved of the good parts already. It might be a great guitar if you can actually try it out before buying but other than that, Id stay away too! Bob

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    Oooh boy! The tailpiece and trussrod cover are original! and he still wants $4K for it! I'd offer him $850 just to see if he knows he's running a scam, or if he actually thinks he's got something good.

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    Lol. "Truss rod is original." What a selling point! Snatch that baby up!

    Edit: sorry. Truss rod COVER. Still...

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    Last edited by pants; 09-25-2016 at 10:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top of the Arch!
    Just because it has a crack doesnt mean it wont stay in tune.
    ... which I why I said if it hasn't been repaired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agentsmith
    finally heard back from him. When I asked him for pictures of the side so I could see if there is any top sinkage and for an explanation of the cracked headstock his reply was, "rather than send you pictures or give you an explanation, i'll just say that this is probably not the right guitar for you."
    IOW, you know something about guitars, and know this is a busted POS that is reserved only for suckers who don't know that they're gonna have to spend an additional $500 to properly repair that cracked headstock, and even after that, the repair might not hold.
    I have a D'Agostino with a cracked headstock buried in my closet somewhere that i thought I could use as a practice guitar. It won't even hold at A+300!!!!!

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    run away......
    fast!

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    I wonder how the folks who run Reverb feel about this.

    I once bought a wireless sennhieser system from a dealer on Ebay. When I got it, I found out it did not work. The seller told me, "The person they bought it from swore that it worked."

    I think it kind of gives the site a "black eye," whether deservedly or not. Some people tend to wonder how a situation like this is allowed and if there are any viable actions that Reverb might take as a part of their policy.

    When one guy acts up, we all pay...

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    was talking to another seller about another old 175 and I asked to see pix from the side to evaluate the top sinkage. He sent some angled pix but I explained that I needed pix showing both the treble and bass side and with the side of the guitar facing the camera so I could see how high the pickup and bridge were adjusted to evaluate this.

    His response was that pickups and bridges were made to be adjustable so I shouldn't be concerned about that.

    This on a $4500 guitar!

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    Agentsmith,
    Unfortunately - these are the perils of buying Archtop guitars and your due diligence and specific questions were perfect.

    It's the details in questioning that minimize the purchase risk - and usually result in a good outcome if all questions are answered.

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    Reply back and ask the seller if arches, like pickups and bridges, not to mention asking prices and seller ratings, were made to be adjustable.