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They are giving smoking deals on every L5 in stock just like TMZ. Trying to decide over 3 of them.
Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco
L5 Wesmo, L5 Premier BJB, L5CT. All at used prices. What should I do bro ? Which one ?
I already know I will love another Wesmo. Never played the other 2.
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09-01-2016 05:59 PM
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Particularly striking craquelure on that guitar. Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco
we are here for you Hammer! Originally Posted by Hammertone
What is that. Looks substantial.. Sinister almost..
Yes, a substantial guitar.
It's a Hoyer Special from the 1950s.
An @18" archtop, @3 1/2" rims, 24 3/4" scale.
The top-of-the-line Hoyers Specials and (16 1/2" wide) Solists from this era have really lovely and comfortable big necks.
And they are fabulous acoustic archtops as well.
I have a few of these knocking around the joint.
I've since removed the pickup. Here it is with one of its siblings:
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Originally Posted by JazzNote
BTW, this thread needs more pics.
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Would it really, though? Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco
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Yeah, well you Gibby Boys are lucky the D'A club lets you in here. I'm pure blood Sicilian, SS has ties to Morris Levy, and who knows what fws6 did during WWII... Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco
My only experience with Heritage was when a friend of mine bought a Sweet Sixteen after he didn't want to risk bringing his D'A on the subways. He said, "This company was started after a bunch of guys left Gibson."
I played it for a few minutes, and felt like saying to him, "You've gotta be kidding..."
Instead I just said to him, "Uh, nice... very nice..."
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Have to agree about the feel of Gibson guitars. It's really hard to put into words.
Even after owning some beautiful and sometimes more expensive non Gibson guitars I still get a buzz when I go back and play a Gibson and I still desire to own more.
Like most people I've had some Gibson guitars that were sub par......but not many.
I may get run out of town but I will balance my comments by saying that I have had some Ibanez guitars that came mighty close to that Gibson feel.
That solid.....kind of "slick" feel. Of course they copied it from the source.
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Joe D,
I can certainly relate to the Gibson feel . I was just cycling through my Treniers this evening when my Gibson Johnny was screaming "let me out of this case NOW" .
I've kept this all original gem polished, preserved and tucked away in its case to protect it for a special friend - but naturally I obliged the request - took it out of the case and immediately realized how blessed I was to acquire this incredible instrument which is truly a hybrid of Gibson feel ( that solid center of gravity ) and DA tone . It's penetrating solid fat ringing vibe and endless natural reverb - can ONLY be found in a real Gibson - and exactly what I believe Johnny Smith envisioned.
I must say- my Legrand was extremely jealous - and for a real good reason.
Im thinking my friend will love it too - he is a Gibson fanatic of the highest order - and this instrument is very likely to overwhelm his senses.
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Steve, you've got a lucky friend.
Oh my god, I'm about to jump out of my own skin right now..
JD
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Stay in your skin, Joe. You're gonna need those fingertips...(cue Little Stevie Wonder....)! Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco
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So much said in so few words. Originally Posted by Marwin Moody
From inconsistent build quality to finishes that run from horrid to elegant, to unbelievable variability in sound and playability, Gibson somehow remains the brand to beat.
Like Joe D, I too sometimes wonder why I bother owning and playing anything else and then I pick up a 20 year old Epi Joe Pass, Ibanez AF 100 series or Terada built Gretsch and I remember why... perspective.
How can an admirer or critic have a valid opinion without an owner's perspective?
In a similar way we would be unable to judge a shit job or wonderful weather without a boss from hell or a rainy day for extreme comparison in our past.
For me I have an AMPLE number of gits to qualfy me as both a critic, and supporter of not only Gibson but others too.
That said, I guess there's a bit of OCD thrown in there... wanting gits hanging on all the walls of my house too :-)
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Another "Gibson Rules" thread, eh?
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Presently i own seven Gibsons. The "Gibson feel" has been standard for me since i bought my first in 1980. Wouldn't want to miss it as it feels like "home".
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Hey Joe, I'm glad you feel that way, more power to you! Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco
However, as there are quite a few that would beg to differ, the only explanation is that's all in your head. Not that that would make appear less real to you, mind you.
Anyway, don't mind me, I'm just a grumpy old man with nothing better to do in this particular moment in time and space...
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The funny thing about "the feel" is it's elusive. My 175 does not feel like my 335, 137, nor do any of my Gibbys feel the same, but maybe it's a familial thing, a comfortable and familiarity hard to explain. Originally Posted by JazzNote
I guess they're like the women in my life, I doubt anyone would suggest that in the dark their differences were all in my head :-)
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The Gibson feel is something I can definetely relate too.
I might not have had sampled as many Gibsons as some of you here, but the ones I have, share a kind of feeling at home thing. The fact I have played almost exclusively my Gibson Les Paul Standard for 15 years plus before getting into Archtops more seriously might be related.
When I pickup Tally (as my wife call it), I tend to wonder why I could think one second, tinkering any of my cheap Epis, could bring them in that league...
They are good instruments for the money no contest, but somehow they still feel like toys compared to my Tal.
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I have some magic snake oil, property in Florida, and some cool-aid you guys would probably jump at.
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I wonder if I could somehow purchase, beg, borrow or steal some of that top secret Gibson pixie dust, sprinkle it on my "lesser" guitars, if they too would acquire the "feel"?
Probably not.Last edited by jazz.fred; 09-02-2016 at 08:46 AM.
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I think one aspect of the Gibson "feel" is something counter-intuitive in today's archtop world. IN a time when archtops are getting lighter and lighter, Gibsons are heavy. Seriously heavy.
I think that weight, and maybe more importantly, where that weight is on the guitar, has a lot to do with the feel and sound. I have an Epiphone Elitist Broadway, and it has that same quality. It's heavy, super well made, and it is the closest thing I've got to the Gibson feel that isn't a Gibson, though I guess the Epi Elitists were made to some Gibson specs.
I haven't got enough experience with the L5ces to compare, though.
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It's my guess that only a limited number of "chosen players" can fully experience and appreciate the "feel" and for all the others its not worth the extra cost. Originally Posted by jazz.fred
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I dunno. Maybe some of that mythical "feel" is just the mind trying to justify the extra couple thousand you spend for the name on the headstock. (wink wink)
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Ha! Great minds?
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For me SOLID is the word. Solid touch, solid sound and solid design. Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Of course it's all in the mind. The mind is the organ of all perception and thought. If it wasn't in the mind, well, where else would it be? Originally Posted by pants
But I do think there is something different about a great Gibson. I haven't owned what the others here have, but I've owned a spectrum of very nice guitars, with a stunning Blonde Heritage Golden Eagle at the top end. Loved it. But the Gibsons had a different kind of "good" and inspired a different kind of feeling.
Honestly, if you put my Epiphone Elitist Broadway in my hands and I was blind-folded, I likely would not know it wasn't a Gibson, but most other nice archtops I've had, I'd know.
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In all honesty, if I were more than a casual player or if I had lots of disposable income I might come at it from a different perspective. I also have not had much chance to play on a Gibson archtop from the lineup of fabled glory. A friend had an older es175 when I was in high school, but that was long enough ago that I don't have a strong memory of any specific feel. I've played some Les Pauls and felt they were the most uncomfortable guitars I've played. Heavy in all the wrong places and neck just all wrong for me. The Epi 335s that I tried when I was shopping semi hollows just felt poorly constructed and at that time the Gibson price tag was just not feasible.
I think what we learn on (as well as who our role models are) plays a big role in that intangible aspect of guitar lust ("feel"). It still feels like coming home to play my old MIM Strat (though she needs a full rewiring at this point).
I think the key is that it's a subjective thing. Whatever makes you happy is the best guitar for you.
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LS,
That guitar went from a hack to a fine Jazz playing scholar! No step down.
Look at all those books. Here's my books..
Joe D
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