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Thanks for the suggestion on the hand truck citizenk74. I purchased it the same day that I purchased the Fender Twin Reverb.
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05-07-2017 02:53 PM
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Tweaking a Digitech multi-processor gives a perfect Twin sound through a Bose Compact, and improves on the Twin by distributing the sound over 180 degrees rather than having to be in front of the amp to hear it. Once you've lugged too-loud twin to a small jazz gig, any other amp becomes preferable.
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And a set of these:
Originally Posted by citizenk74
Ernie Ball Model 6102 Amplifier Amp Pop In Swivel Casters, | Reverb
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still using my '67 Twin on most gigs.
as has been suggested, a cart makes it relatively easy.
the only lifting is in and out of the car trunk.
btw, the amp was dying on a gig on Sat, all the fullness disappeared and it sounded horrible.
popped in a NOS RCA 7025 in V2 and the thing came alive, best it's sounded in a long time.
the amp's sound was slowly degrading and I didn't realize it until it sounded really bad.
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Another thing about casters - when you're in a band situation with multiple people unloading the truck, anything with casters gets more heavy stuff stacked on top. That's not a problem until the now-too heavy-to-lift compound load encounters a door sill (they all have them), at which time the macho man wheeling the stuff in simply pushed the load into and over the obstacle by brute force, putting a year's worth of wear and tear on your expensive tubes and speakers. Said macho men will also slam down any load with an extra loud bang in order to impress upon any available females their manly mightiness. Suffice it to say, after observing this, I always personally transported and handled all my own gear. Very carefully. Originally Posted by wintermoon
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a couple years ago I bought a dead mint 70s Twin from the orig owner w/stock JBL's and stock casters.
had a gig later that day and brought the 'new' Twin to use.
rolling it along the pavement I hit a crack or seam and it nearly tipped over.
never again....
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Following up.... Well the adventure started with transfer the Fender Twin Reverb down Three flight of stairs. The hand truck alone lighten the weight but gravity nearly thrown out my lower back. The gig went well but recuperating from the transfer took it toll.
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I finally got my dream gear fender twin reverb and Ibanez LGB 30. What a great match up.
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Originally Posted by Smooth Jazz 64
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That guitar should sound great through a Twin Reverb.
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It certainly does. I can't stop playing it. Looking forward to working on my next project in the studio with them.
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A Twin goes with anything as long as your young enough to carry it. I would get a ATA case for it, sure it add some more weight, but it also adds a set of large wheels to roll it around on. take only the top of the ATA case off and it a nice height to play in a low position, and roll around on a stage if need be. When necessary set the Twin on top of the empty ATA case to get it up a bit and again roll around real easy. Also when leaving the ATA case is big and strong enough to stack your guitar and accessories care on, then roll the whole thing to your truck to go home on one trip.
Another plus at home put a nice tablecloth or something on the ATA case and you have a end table or night stand. Actually my old MesaBoogie in it's ATA case ended up being used for a nightstand more than a amp. Dam thing weighed a ton, so my Princeton ended up being used all the time.
Oh proper way to carry a Twin without a case, squat down and pick it up like you're giving it a bear hug, then stand up. Much easier to carry and doesn't kill your hand and shoulder.
Does it show I was a roadie for awhile.
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I have been using this amp for a while. I had the Fender Twin with the red knobs and then went to Sam Ash and compared the two. I was amazed what a more pleasant sound the RI version had that right there on the spot, I traded my Fender Twin for a brand new Fender Twin 65 RI. The only change I made and this was a important one was adding wheels to the bottom. I use it in my studio playing jazz, blues and rock. The cleans are amazing, and it takes my Mesa Boogie Flux 5 pedal and Sey Duncan 805 and Strymon pedals very well. My Boogie amp has a tighter sound and I just prefer the Fender looser sound it brings. It has become my favorite amp.
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I like them so much I have three Twin Reverbs and they are my usual preference for performing; otherwise, depending on the venue, I will take one of my Super Reverbs, or occasionally my Deluxe Reverb, never my Princeton Reverb because it sounds "too small"... large speaker and multiple speaker amps sound bigger in character even at low volumes.
No pedals, just straight in, always clean and pure, because it sounds perfect just like that.
No mic'ing to PA because jazz is not that loud, but mostly because PA sound is pretty horrible.
I use a little folding luggage hauler for foot transport, and I'm used to lifting the 85 lbs. amps. The way to save your back lifting them into the car is to learn to swing the amp back, and then forward up straight-armed in front of you, then pull it towards you as it reaches it's maximum height, and catch the amp's bottom from below with the other hand - without bending over. You end up with the amp diagonally high against your chest with the swinging hand still holding the strap and the grabbing hand now under the bottom. It helps to step forward and then backward a little as you do this to maintain a relatively motionless center of mass.
Some of the distinctive sound of the Twin comes from having two speakers - they set up a complex field pattern of constructive and destructive acoustic interference which is further made more complex from these patterns interacting with reflective surfaces around the amp. This is where the ineffable 3-D sound thing comes from (the Super even more so with four speakers).
It's not just the sound; tube amps make the guitar feel different when you play because your fingers are kind of listening and noticing the way a tube amp bends and gives dynamically with variation in playing - you kind of hear some of this yourself through your hands. I know this sounds weird, but it is part of the mystique of tubes that models and emulations don't do... yet.
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A 15" speaker in a twin is a thing of beauty. Absolutely classic Wes and '60s jazz guitar tones. I was at my buddy's house over the weekend and he had 2 BF and one silverface twin. All of them he had modified for 15" speakers. JBL, EV and Eminence Big Ben. They all sounded incredibly warm and fat with my '63 Barney Kessel. Much better for jazz guitar tone than the 2x12 IMO.... Originally Posted by dconeill
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I had a Super Reverb in my late teens/early 20’s. I used to plug in my Yamaha SBG2000, dime the output AND volume, put my foot on top of the amp to support the guitar on my thigh in the absence of a strap, and practice Santana tunes. One day when alone in the house everything was on 11, and I was having at it. Walls were shaking, my shirt was visibly moving from the ridiculousness of that amp, and then the lights began to turn on and off...my father at the top of the stairs. I turned it off and went upstairs to get two ears full from my father, which at the moment was simply his mouth moving but no words coming out. He claims to have clearly heard me playing while in his car a block away, his car windows closed, and with me playing in the basement with all doors and windows in the house fully closed. To this day I am convinced that me and my SR were responsible for them needing hearing aids later in life. And, of course, my hearing is nothing to brag about these days. Originally Posted by Greentone
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The Fender Vibrosonic Reverb was exactly that—a Twin Reverb chassis with a 15 inch speaker. Originally Posted by jzucker
72-81 "Silver Face" Vibrosonic Reverb
I once had a Super Reverb with a 15 inch speaker. I wish I’d kept that one, but the cabinet size made it a bit awkward to transport.
When I bought my 74 Twin Reverb used, someone had swapped in Vox/JMI/Celestion T1088 alnico Silver Bell speakers, which I learned much later were rated for 15 ohms each. Amazingly, neither blew but one developed a coil rub and got reconed. The amp now has one Eminence Red White & Blues (ceramic with fairly neutral/flat response) and one ceramic Celestion to add a little bite. They seem to complement each other well.
I really like having the master volume. I think that amp sounds best with the preamp volume knob fairly high. Setting the MV to 6-8 keeps the beast under control.
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I have seen some wild stuff from the 60s and 70s. For example, I remember one blackface TR that a guy had back in 1969. He'd put two Vox speakers from an Essex Bass amp (Thomas Organ, Sepulvada, California, Vox series amp--35 or so Watts in a big cabinet) into.
The amp sounded great, but you'd think that there would be no way that the TR wouldn't trash the 15-25 watt speakers. And, yet, this guy would crank his amp right on up and play his gold top Les Paul for all he was worth.
Mind you, the speaker transplant was due to the fact that he'd roached out the two Fender/Oxford ceramic mag 12s he had in the amp originally. I surely expected the Essex speakers to give up the ghost. The Vox speakers were also made by Oxford, if I am not mistaken--but they were not likely as powerfully rated as the ones that Fender spec'd in the Twin Reverb.
Of course, people used to put Celestion 15 watt speakers in there, back in the 60s and they'd work, too.
I always went the other way. My favorite blackface Deluxe Reverb had an old Twin Amp 12" speaker in it. It sounded marvelous. My favorite tweed Deluxe today is one that I put a P12n speaker into. Way over-rated for a little Deluxe, but it, too, sounds great.
I also prefer Twin Reverbs with the JBL D120f speakers. Loud, clear, and they sound great at low volume.
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I read a Ted Nugent interview where he says he would just run his hand all the way from left to right across the tops of the knobs of the (5?) Twins atop the 5 dual 15 cabs, so that every knob was on 10. Originally Posted by citizenk74
I call it "tens up".
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My favorite speakers for a Twin are the blue and silver foil C12N Jensens that came stock in '64 Twins and the brown/gold foil C12N Jensens that came stock in '66-'67 blackface Twins, very warm, smokes Oxfords imo
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TR? Great amp! It's no Ampeg, but still OK by me.
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My Twin (not a Fender but a Japanese Guyatone clone frome the 70ies). I tried several Jensen en Eminence speakers but I am very happy with a pair of old Pyle speakers (2x12"). The Guyatone is a very exact clone: the circuit is exactly like an AB763 Twin (granted, I had to change some caps and resistor values to get it exactly AB763).
I even have a 2nd Guyatone Twin with an unbranded 15". Sounds great as well! A bit more hi-fi to my ears, so I can see why some would prefer the 15" for jazz. I go back and fourth between the two, although the 2x12 usually gets the gig.
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Wow. Two of my favorites: Ampeg VT-22 and Guyatone GA1100. Great takes on the Twin Reverb. The Guyatone was a very faithful version. If you grew up in a military family as I did, you had a parent who came back from Japan with either a Guyatone, a Teisco, or an Elk amp. I had the Teisco Professional--top line amp. But my band mates often had the Guyatone. Great amp.
The Ampeg, OTOH, was another take, entirely. Ampeg, of course, used the Baxandall tone stack. This is, IMO, vastly superior to the Fender/Vox/Marshall tone stack. All knobs at 12 o-clock and you are flat, uncolored. You can go additive or subtractive from there. A great system. (Polytone used the same system.) The Ampeg used CTS speakers--tough as heck. It was riotously loud and stayed very clean, like the Twin, at volumes that made your ears bleed. THIS WAS/IS A GREAT AMPLIFIER. Just ask The Rolling Stones.
The Twin Reverb is and will always be a GREAT amp for the L5CES. I guarantee that you will get a classic sound from that rig. However, I would have to give the nod to the VT-22, overall, for playing jazz. Ampeg was THE NY/East Coast amp company at a time when NY/East Coast WAS jazz.
(Of course, Tommy Gumina came along on the West Coast and put the Ampeg sound in a tiny cabinet with Polytone. All the jazz players jumped ship. But, we aren't talking tubes at that point.)
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I had a silver face with JBL's. Weighed somewhere around 70 lbs.
It reproduced the picking attack really well, making every note pop -- whether you wanted it to or not.
It could get impossibly loud.
I sold it when I got tired of lifting it.
If I had to keep it, I'd have tried to do something to blunt that picking attack thing. But, I'm sure many players would have liked it as is.
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Ampwares says 69 pounds with standard Oxford or Utah speakers - the JBLs added some weight. Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
Ampeg's own literature claims the VT-22 was 83 lbs (with standard speakers). The last version was 88 lbs.
Adding Altec 417 speakers added further weight.
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