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Weight? Mine is well under 7 lbs. How light was the Composer?
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03-14-2017 09:36 PM
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The Montreal is 6 lbs 12.4 oz
Originally Posted by DRS
The Kingpin II is 5lbs 1 oz
The Composer is 5 lbs 2.5 oz
(The beauty of having a scale from the Soloway Guitars days)
BTW, at 6 lbs 12.4 oz, the Montreal becomes the heaviest guitar that I've owned (and kept for any length of time) in about 15 years.Last edited by Jim Soloway; 03-14-2017 at 10:22 PM.
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Sounds like the new Godin Artist Soloway model ! Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
I guess I'm a bit luckier than you Jim, as I can still handle the depth of the Composer (but for how much longer ?), so I can enjoy my two Godins for what they are, rather than wishing one was more like the other (and vice versa).
Having followed Godin's progress through the jazz guitar field from the first 5th Avenues onwards, I would be surprised if Robert Godin needed much encouragement to attempt a full hollow Montreal. It must be worth dropping him a line to provide a gentle push.
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You're pretty much describing the Peerless Sunset, though I think it's a 16" bout not 15". Super lightweight, comfortable neck, resonant sound, excellent build quality. I was jonesing for a Premiere until I came across a good deal on the Peerless. Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
Then I got a Gibson ES-135. I know what you mean about the touch and the sustain. You have to play it differently. It doesn't have the acoustic qualities of the bigger hollow boxes, but it does have the warm mellow dark sound, and playing in a noisy group situation it is probably a better choice than a large jazz box.
Though sometimes I take my Godin 5th Avenue with a floater along just for a little contrast--works fine as well. Love the Godins!
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I agree with a slightly different take. I like my Godin Jazz, but wish that it were a 25.5" scale guitar instead of 24.84". Not a huge difference, but I have always preferred the Fender scale length. Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
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+1. I think there's a market for an affordable jazz guitar in production with a 25 1/2" scale. Look at the popularity of Teles with jazz guitarists -- that must carry over to a semihollow archtop or a small-bodied archtop. Originally Posted by lammie200
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i've been after a long scale, ebony board, thin line, 16ish" hollow for a while now. not really happening. not as a production guitar, anyway. a few guitars have some but not all of the specs, like a byrdland or gretsch 6122-1959/1962 or casino or guild starfire ii or iii. the new gretsch center block falcons would be perfect, if they were hollow, though the center block is chambered. maybe something the the gibson es390 or casino coupe is worth a peek. i know gibson made at least one hollow baby casino.
if you have a billion dollars, i'm pretty sure collings will make you one. you described the soco, more or less. that's the platform i'd start with if i had the money. that, or a custom shop gretsch, which would make more or less anything, and you couldn't really ask for a jazzier/archtoppier pedigree than steven stern's.
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Hey Jim! Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
First, you make that guitar sound absolutely glorious (but there's no surprise there). Second, Best of luck on your "adventure" to Mexico. Hopefully, wherever and whenever you land will feel like "home" and that's the most important thing - no matter where you are. Having your loving wife (she's a terrific lady) by your side will make it so. And, third, what you're describing in terms of a true hollow-body the size of the Montreal Premiere describes the Sadowsky SS-15 so you could check that out just as a point of reference or to get some ideas.
Best of luck and enjoy your NGD!!!
Tom
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That's a really beautiful sound, Jim, but then you always get a beautiful sound. I'm a believer that sound is mostly in the hands, and from what I've heard you sound like you pretty much no matter what you're playing. It's always good to hear.
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Oh Jim.. That's what I was waiting for. That was beautiful. And it made my day. Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
Sustain is so important in a guitar. Most players don't control it like that. And most guitars don't hold like that one does.
That guitar is a great match for you. Thank you for sharing with us.
Joe D.
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Jim, will you do your usual "trick" and down-tune the guitar?
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Jim, one line stuck out to me about duncan pickups. Are these coming stock with Duncans now? I thought that was the montreal premiere supreme?
Sounds great, thinking about getting one...
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Me too - mine is the same color older model. But it's so damn comfortable to play that I'm considering upgrading the electronics and the tuners as well. I already got a TRIC case and sold the gig bag. Originally Posted by DRS
My actual guitar. (If I could only have one, this would be it!):
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The SDs in Jim's (Alnico II ?) are different to those in the Supreme (see my previous post in this thread). A week ago the Godin web-site listed the standard Montreal Premiere with the new SD pickups; today it seems to be back to "Custom Godin Humbuckers". I'm not sure what is happening anymore. Originally Posted by greasy0015
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That's what I was told when I ordered mine. I had to wait 9 weeks for mine so it may just be that they don't have enough inventory yet. Originally Posted by greasy0015
Last edited by Jim Soloway; 03-17-2017 at 12:03 PM.
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Yes, I have it down a minor 3rd. Oddly it plays much stiffer in that tuning than the archtops. Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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Thanks Joe. The guitar does have excellent sustain and I think one of the reasons I get a lot of sustain is that playing with a very light touch allows the sting to ring out without dissipating energy as quickly. I've also made a conscious decision to allow notes to ring out for the full decay whenever possible. Lenny Breau used to describe that as emulating the sustain pedal on an acoustic piano. For me it's also inspired by the wonderful sound of ringing notes that a great vibraphonist like Garry Burton or Mike Mainieri get. Originally Posted by Max405
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Yeah - I think that's what the Samuel Beckett play was about - "Waiting for Godin" Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
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Sudden GAS:
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Too bad they got it with the gig bag. The Tric case is an added option but it's a wonderful example of the true brilliance of Robert Godin's approach to manufacturing. He took the Tric that he uses for larger guitars and added a formed and beautifully finished lined and padded insert perfectly shaped to the Montreal. It's not some sort of pad but a lined hard shell that is bonded to the interior of the case. So he gets the benefits for the Tric (incredibly light with great protection) without having to go through the very significant expense of retooling for a second mold. Like most of the more recent Tric cases, it is covered in a gig-bag like material with quality back pack straps. Probably the best case I've ever gotten with a guitar. Originally Posted by destinytot
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Bellissimo ! Now I know the Italian word for unboxing ! Originally Posted by destinytot
A double blow for them - not only did they not get the TRIC case, they also have the stock Godin pickups.
I couldn't agree more with Jim about the case. I now have two - one for the Montreal and one for the Composer. They are externally identical, so I have nightmares about turning up to a gig with the wrong guitar. Which is quite bizarre really, as I don't do gigs !
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Wow, found this....
Oh those pickups!
Custom shop Godin, I never knew that.
Would they do a 25.5" scale?
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"..and I also like the sound when you overdrive them a little bit..." he says and then creates this waaaay too gainy muddy undefined mash of sound. Why, why WHY?!?!?
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Yeah, that video did nothing to make me want one of those guitars. Quite the opposite, in fact. That distortion was painful to listen to.
As for a 25.5" scale, there's a way to find out.
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I did e-mail Godin and asked about the larger scale..... Originally Posted by sgosnell
Hi Roy,
5th Avenue series models are only available with a 24.84" scale.
Regards,
Michel Bélanger
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