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re electric jazz boxes
how come most guitar makers do
either a two set in pickups version or
one neck pickup floater ....
duh ...
most jazzers want a one set-in pickup
jazz box don't they ?
they're quite rare
although you can search them out
(Peerless do some gooduns)
I mean bridge pu ? clean ? for jazz ?
don't think so
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05-16-2016 05:03 PM
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Although I don't play in a big band I believe that a mix from the bridge pick up helps cut through the mix of other instruments if dialed in properly.
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I often use a two-pickup L-5 for gigs. In my big band it helps for the occasional rock/blues tunes we do, and for variety shows where we play a mix of musical styles. On jazz/swing tunes I keep the bridge pu volume off and use the toggle as a mute switch. In addition, these guitars feed back a bit less than my one-PU guitars.
As for the part about makers not offering one-pickup guitars, I believe Gibson has made a few:
Danny W.
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single neck..single coil...p90 dogear pickup..& can't beat that 50's jim hall tone
this is the formula needed..wake up guitar manufacturers!!
cheers
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Hard to tell which one will win the swimsuit competition - all beauties!
Originally Posted by Danny W.
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That is my benchmark jazz guitar sound... as much as I like Tal's thunk or what have you. That musician and that instrument, right there. Originally Posted by neatomic
single neck..single coil...p90 dogear pickup..& can't beat that 50's jim hall tone
this is the formula needed..wake up guitar manufacturers!!
cheers
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I'm kind of torn myself. Two pickup guitars are certainly more versatile than single pickup guitars, but I already have more than enough of them to meet my needs. I'd really prefer a single pickup (neck only) guitar, to avoid the typical temptation I have with two pickup guitars - to switch to the bridge pickup, and rock out.
The basic problem for me is 16" or 17". A few weeks ago, I would have said 17" or nothing, but lately I've been kind of intrigued by the ES-165 Herb Ellis model, and the killer sounds I've heard Mitch Holder get out of his Howard Roberts Customs (of both the Epiphone, and Gibson variety). So, I'm kind of leaning towards broadening my horizons size-wise.
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humbug!
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sounds like midrange!...
how come anything on that dentists office waiting room chair looks good??
hah
cheers
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And on those occasions when only a plank will do ....
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You can switch off that pesky old bridge pickup.
But for band situations with different music styles this is the plank to go for!
But having said that.....
Someone will always buck the trend!
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Having the bridge pickup is very convenient for comping. Just switch from the neck pickup you use for soloing to the in-between position with the bridge pickup's volume previously rolled almost all the way down.
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This issue is one that makers will not change because 2 pup models overwhelmingly sell more than 1 pup models, end of story. They generally do offer similar models like the 165/175 types but they sell few.
I can assume that players like myself find two pup models as compared to one pup models:
Are more flexible by virtue of being able to blend pups
Have no acoustic disadvantage over a one pup model
Are not significantly / noticibly heavier
Have a wider audience for resale
Likely have a better color selection available
Even rockers who primarily use the bridge pup have mostly looked away from 1 pup models towards two pup versions.
Hammertone, I love your pics.
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I have an acoustic archtop for acoustic guitar play. I have an archie-with-floater for meh, I'm not sure. My electric is a CES archtop w/two pickups. It is sufficiently loud acoustically to play and comp with...but not as loud as my acoustic. Electrically, it is superb. Better than my vintage single pu ES175? Yes, actually, which is why I sold the 175 and got the Super Eagle.
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Can't have too many polepieces as far as I am concerned. (Or strings for that matter.) Originally Posted by jazzbow
You can switch off that pesky old bridge pickup.
But for band situations with different music styles this is the plank to go for!
But having said that.....
Someone will always buck the trend!
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Mmmmh, isn't at least part of the point that the neck PU in a single pickup guitar does not sound the same as the neck PU in a two pickup guitar?
The bridge pickup carved into the middle of the top is altering the sound by damping top vibration and changing the resonance spectrum - and apparently in a good way. Most people would agree that the classic L5 sound is coming from the CES, not from the WesMo that many describe as brighter, sometimes thinner. Thus, even if you don't use the second pickup, it does (good) things to the tone of the instrument (in an electric setting) and it helps getting less feedback due to the dampened top vibration. If I want to use the guitar electric, I would no longer avoid the second pickup, if I want to play acoustic, I either have no pickup or a floater.
(*lol* obviously, the Golden Eagle in my avatar is a single set neck pickup - and it sounds gorgeous ... I guess, it is not that dramatic of an issue after all)
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Humbug redux!
Last edited by Hammertone; 05-17-2016 at 01:35 PM.
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Um, I do not think so as given that 20 two pup gits may have very different voices I would have to see as many single pup gits sound identical which I do not think is the case. Originally Posted by FrankLearns
If one pup gits had any clearly desirable traits the CES (single or dual coil pups) paradigm simply would not have happened. IMO that is.
Note I'm referring to identically equipped gits HB, P90 etc.
Not floaters which are all for the most part single pup.
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Originally Posted by Hammertone
humbug!
The search is the real thing in music, and searching for the real bottom of anything is DEEP.
Some can not do without frills and furbelows, while some others are realizing that the masters of their craft have always preferring less to more.
Away now with that humbug - and give us a real violin finish! An acoustically superior finish is, at least, equally important than the question of a single or double PU.
- "Yeah, I stabbed the motherfucker, and I'll stab you, too, if you don't practice!"
Jackie Mclean to one of his students who was asking if the rumours were true that McLean once had stabbed Charles Mingus.
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Try three:
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When Gibson came out with the two pickup version of the archtop guitar in 1951 (L-5CES), they widened the spacing of the parallel top braces and beefed them up. This produced a difference in sound, both electrically and acoustically, between the L-5CES and the L-5C with a single pickup added.
To this day, the two guitars do not sound the same on the neck pickups--for a variety of reasons. Although almost all jazz guitar players use the neck pickup only, _most_ jazz players choose the two-pickup model L-5CES because it has the more immediately recognizable sound associated with the "L-5" played on the neck pickup.
Funny...I would be almost indifferent between a one or two pickup ES-175--with a slight nod to the single pickup version--but I would favor the two pickup L-5 because it's what I am used to listening to over the years. And, I would use the bridge pickup less than one-percent of the time, i.e., wouldn't miss it if it were a dead pickup. It just needs to be there.
Say, isn't the bridge misplaced--too far back towards the tailpiece--on the guitar above?Last edited by Greentone; 05-18-2016 at 12:15 PM.
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Hey, this is a great idea! I would never have thought of this. I just tried it with my 175 and it works perfectly. Switching in the bridge pup drops the volume and brightens the tone a little for comping. Originally Posted by Fidelcaster
It's certainly quicker and easier than fiddling with the volume control.
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3-pickup REWLZ!
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i see your three, and raise you one
a norma guitar...eastwood guitars is currently doing a recreation of it...
cheers
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