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Was thinking of replacing the stock bridge on my Ibanez 151F with the kind which too are all wood but have those 6 white (bone ?) intonators which sit in long slots. Are these really a big help in intonation of string length ? Or, is there a problem that comes along with the tradeoff folks might not be aware of ? Is there an ebony version ?
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02-10-2016 11:48 PM
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is there an intonation issue with the guitar? Did it come with 2 bridges? (some come with saddles for a wound G and another saddle for an unwound G).
The bone will impart a different sound, are you looking for brighter & more clarity? Warmer? The same tone?
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You might want to make sure that whatever bridge you use as a replacement that its radius matches your fret board radius as closely as possible. You may still be able to sand saddles individually to match the fret board but probably not very much.
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No. This is an intonation thread. What I am referring to is the fact that among those all-wood bridge/saddle types (Have stock one on Ibanez now), there is one type sold with 6 slots that run across the saddletop, end to end. Within these slots are 6 separate bone looking pieces which each string rides on. Apparently the slots are to enable the intonation of each string, separately, by moving each bone (saddle section ?) forward or back irrespective of the other 5 strings. I am inquiring as to how well or not these types have been received by the other payers who've installed them ...
Originally Posted by MaxTwang
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I had a Hofner vice-president with this type of bridge. I believe that there are really six slot because there are six strings and no slot would have more than one of the white pieces in any slot. So there is not really a way to intonate a string (the string length is basically fixed).
A guitar with three wound and three non-wound strings would have one white piece in each successive slot. For a guitar with four wound strings the white pieces for the last wound and first unwound string would be switched. (The core of a fourth wound string is smaller than the diameter of the first unwound string so it intonates at a shorter string length.)
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Pix would be nice...
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I have seen these and wondered if they were any good
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Thanks, that's what I thought. That's the Teller Model 104 bridge. Those white pieces are plastic. The design has been around since the 1960s. There's a fellow on ebay selling custom-made brass inserts for this bridge, but I haven't tried them. They typically come in ebonized pearwood or rosewood, but I'm sure Teller would be happy to make them in ebony if requested.
They used to be offered in molded black plastic as well - that version is tone-sucking garbage.Last edited by Hammertone; 02-12-2016 at 01:06 AM.
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The one with the fret-wire bridge pieces is the Teller Model 103, available as a bass bridge (as used on the Hofner 500/1 "Beatle" bass) or a guitar bridge (as used on various Hofner jazz guitars). It's been available in rosewood or ebony since the early 1950s. Hofner has used it since day one, and Artur Lang favoured it as well. It works fine with heavier strings, but doesn't have a lot of adjustment for use with really light strings. I like it - I use heavier strings. It sounds like a typical wooden bridge but has a bit more bite or zing to it
Last edited by Hammertone; 02-12-2016 at 01:07 AM.
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Wow ! Now were gettin' somewhere !! The one Gary shows is exactly what I was thinking about. Oh, those 6 pieces are fret wire ! The Gibson one Jabberwocky has looks very smart. But white bits might be plastic. I hope I'm wrong. I know not why all floating wood bridges are not built the same as these two ! The common all wood type such as on my Artstar 151 and most archtops, seems archaic in 2016. One thing though, the 6 top pieces must be same radius as the end of your last fret on the fingerboard I believe .
Thanks to all for the input.
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The Teller 103 is available from Allparts and a few other online sellers as well.
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Thanks for the thread & responses.
Bridge experimentation lies somewhere out in my future.
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Hmmm... now you have me wondering about this. I'm looking at my metal TOM bridges and they do not have a radius to match the FB. Originally Posted by lammie200
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That is the one I was talking about. You can see from the picture that it is set up for flat wounds (4 wound and 2 unwound strings). Unlike the one Jabberwocky posted a pic of, there is no ability to adjust the intonation of each string. Originally Posted by MarkInLA
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Are the strings all slotted to the same depth on those TOM's? Each string slot should be slightly different to adjust the TOM to the radius of your fingerboard. Originally Posted by GNAPPI
Last edited by MaxTwang; 02-12-2016 at 08:46 PM.
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You could possibly buy these bone saddles EC Collins' "Bone-O-Matic" Bridge to replace those plastic ones in that Goldo Göldo HW157 Jazz-Guitar Bridge - Thomann UK .
Just a thought...
Nah, they won't fit; not without a lot of chiselling.Last edited by Jabberwocky; 02-12-2016 at 04:53 PM.
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Don't you mean somewhere in your past ! Originally Posted by rabbit
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Mark, I'm in LA today... The weather is ridiculous! Frigid in nyc and it's like summer here!
Anyway, I have a bridge that is ebony and bone. The bone goes horizontally to the tone screws. I got it custom made for my Eastman and it works quite well. I haven't had any intonation issues and I like what it did to the sound of the guitar acoustically and through an amp. I'll post a pic once I get to cold ol nyc again...
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The nice thing about Gibson ABR-1 and Nashville is the saddles are at three different heights, to match the fingerbaord curve. Originally Posted by GNAPPI
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