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I asked this question in another thread and there were no replies so I'm going to give it one more go here.
I realize much depends on the choice of speaker, but generally speaking, do you have a preference? What pushes you to one configuration or the other?
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11-29-2015 07:50 PM
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I would go 2x10. With time I've been enjoying smaller speakers with archtops.
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smaller speakers have a faster snappy response time..so the sound will be quicker to get back to you..crisper...a 15 cab is leisurely..but full toned..i love 1x15...classic jazz, surf, big clean tone..not as articulate, but..
here's an example..an ampeg 8 x 10 bass stack..you can feel the air hit you in the chest when standing 20 feet in front of it..a 2x 15 cab, you won't feel... but the building will be rumbling..hah..one's a shotgun blast, the others an earthquake
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ps- also type cab used..open back, closed or ported...open back 15" is real leisurely!! hahaLast edited by neatomic; 11-29-2015 at 08:06 PM. Reason: ps-
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No need for a 15, the guitar low e string resonates at 82 hz.
The two tens provide more than enough power handling for most any situation.
One ten can do plenty in the right cabinet.
IMO, the 10 or at most 12 are optimal for what we do.
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This custom open-back cab runs an Altec 418B AlNiCo 15" from an old Standel amp.
45 Hz - 8,000 Hz, highly efficient, rated at 100 watts.
Great for guitar as well as upright bass.Last edited by Hammertone; 11-29-2015 at 08:58 PM.
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most 10" guitar speakers are rated @ 95-100 hz low end!!!...the only celestion that's rated at 80hz is the gold alnico 10..my fave!
bring out the 15's...haha
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ps- and while the fundamental E string frequency might be 82.4hz...it goes well beyond..in both directions..Last edited by neatomic; 11-29-2015 at 08:19 PM. Reason: ps-
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Tough choice. I love a single !5" cab, how it feels and sounds. Also quite partial to a 12+10 pine cab, a different but equally beautiful sound. I'd prefer either of those to a 2x10, but it's strictly a matter of personal taste.
MD
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classic 50's jazzer gibby amp-- ga 50 or ga 50t..as used by tons of guys..jim hall, howard roberts, kenny b
one 12" & one 8"
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The Standel 25L15 amp was a rare, but classic guitar amp. It featured a JBL D-130 15" speaker. Studio guys like Hank Garland used this amp. It sounds tremendous. Wes Montgomery's solid-state Standel amp also used the same speaker. That amp sounds great, too--especially under the thumb of the great Wes Montgomery.
I like 8" and 10" speakers for jazz guitar, but I don't think that 15" speakers are obsolete in the least for jazz.
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Honestly I find most speakers to produce too much bass for archtops, even 10s. I cut all frequencies bellow 150hz and even higher sometimes (and this is a common studio technique with guitars)
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Gee, all this techno babble I always wondered why my open low E @ 82hz just makes a luff, whuff, luff sound, EUREKA! and my Celestion 10's only reproduce to 95hz then the cone just moves in and out a bit moving some air. I can finally get a good night's sleep. :-)
In the 60's I played my very nice Bandmaster in those gigantic 2x15 Fender bass cabs... nah...
I haven't owned a 15 since my 1952 or 53 tweed Fender pro which was a terribly snotty sounding amp, I traded that away in 1990 something.
After my 100 watt 8x12 days and acquiring prepetual tinnitus, In the amp I like 2x10's (open back) with an extension cab with 2x12's (closed back) splitting my stereo input on my mixer between the 2x10 cab and the 2x12 cab. Nice tone.
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Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
maybe if your trying to fit the guitar in the mix..on a bass players solo session!...but if you want a good jazz guitar tone, you honor the guitar..no 150hz shelving...you've basically cut everything to the 12th fret E string note!!...listen to old recordings..the guitar is wooly..johnny smith sounds like he has a 1500 hz top cut!!
cheersLast edited by neatomic; 11-29-2015 at 09:45 PM.
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I've listened to tons of guitar records and have had (and still have) my fair share of guitars and amps and have played professionally many times (this is rehearsals, sessions, concerts, etc..). Cutting those frequencies works perfectly, bye bye boomy bass bye bye feedback etc.. And it allows you to run the bass knob on the amp higher which adds a lot of depth (this is true for various fender type amps and baxandall "jazz amps").
As I said, it's a very common studio technique - a lot of the guitar tones you hear on records may have it and you don't know it. Rock players like Tube Screamers for a reason, it cuts everything bellow 700hz.
My two cents, of course.
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I prefer 2x10s for the clean tone that I prefer. I like 1x15 for a big, buttery overdriven sound, which I rarely use anymore. I find that my 2x10 cabinet has a better bass response than my 1x15 and also a more focused sound.
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The 2x10 or both would be my choice. !0's are punchy and in right cab have full bottom for guitar. I've had 15" for bass and biggest problem they are hard to hear on stage, the sound develops so far out from the cabinet, that why bass players started moving to multiple 10's.
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The Celestion G10 Vintage speakers in my Quilter Aviator Twin Ten are superb... fat, warm but nice and punchy too.
In saying that, I love the sound of 15" speakers too - - I used to sometimes play through a Roland JC-80, it had a single 15" speaker with aluminium dust cap... absolutely wonderful sounding. My '76 Peavey Session 400 has the 'Black Widow' 15", that too sounds great. Both those amps are on the heavy side though, so that limits their use to a degree.
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I had a 2x10 cab, and it sounded great! [I got tired of lugging it around, though, so I sold it. Great sound, though!]
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Ahh, the JBL D-130/K130 - my other favourite speaker - I have one in my Ampeg B-15S. Originally Posted by Greentone
The Altec in question was painted factory black as opposed to grey/white. I should check the date stamp on it, I suppose. Out of the 75 original Standels, my guess is that there were a few odd ducks or special orders.
Or maybe someone simply replaced the JBL with the Altec - who knows? It's all ancient history.
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my home set up is similar to this:
i've never tried a 15" but always assumed that i should and would love it because i tune down and use hollowbodies and so on. but as jorge points out, all of that gets cut out in a mix. i always throw a hockey stick on a guitar track so i wonder how much of a point there would be to that.
i should spend a little time with my jc77 to see how i feel about two 10s. i've never thought it was lacking for bass but i don't use it much for guitar. i've always been a user of 12" speakers, just because. i want to say that the cabinet size and build is just as important, as well. but you could eq some of that back in, if need be.
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Maybe Roland did a twin ten "Jazz Chorus" for a reason?
33 lbs weight.
Roland JC-40 Jazz Chorus Stereo 40W 2x10" Amp | Sweetwater.comLast edited by boatheelmusic; 11-30-2015 at 06:07 AM.
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For the non-techs, cutting does not mean totally eliminating. A high-pass filter that cuts everything below a given frequency has two properties cutoff frequency and slope. If the cutoff frequency is 150Hz, that just means that 150 is 3db down. If the slope of the filter is 6db per octave, then at 75Hz (octave below 150) is 9db down. That is still very present in the sound, it's just turned down, not totally elliminated.
And my answer. I still prefer 1 12" speaker. Two 10s are fine. A 15" seems bigger than necessary, but.... I have a small cab with a full-range JBL 15. I'll plug my amp into it and see what it's like!
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I prefer a 15 for the classic dark jazz tone.
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Maybe not because of the speaker size so much as the weight? Originally Posted by boatheelmusic
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Many many years ago I had a friend who used a black face Vibrolux with 2 10s. I used it a few times. LOVED IT.
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Thans Ken, didn't know that about low cut filters although it does make sense. Originally Posted by kenbennett
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