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Originally Posted by Greentone
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09-18-2019 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
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Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Originally Posted by Fred Archtop
I agree, the blade is essential to the authentic tone, I was merely saying that the pole piece version has something unique and is a nice new variation. I think the blade version has the real midrange voice that characterizes the cc sound. The pole piece (at least with the screws) sounds more modern, less midrange and clearer. It could be a function of the guitars they’re in (the blade is in an L50 and the pole is in a Slaman Sister) but to me the pole one does have more dynamic range, which gives these pickups the stringiness we all like. I’m not asserting that one is better than the other, but for my uses I like the pole a bit more. To revise what I said about p90, I actually think this pickup sounds halfway between a CC and a dynasonic. I’ve never played the “adjusted blade” version. Too bad we’re so distant, would love to compare and jam on some tunes.
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Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
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Funny enough, I forget which is which. But they both sound good, so I don't care. The Slaman's playability and acoustic tone are superior to the Gibson, so I play that one more.
Last edited by omphalopsychos; 09-18-2019 at 12:59 PM.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
Yep, just cut the braces with no reinforcement. The top hasn't moved an inch.
I think you should go for it. After working on all those Jimmy Ramey solos you’ve earned having his early tone.
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Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
Might have to order the pickup and then start staring at the guitar and pickup to build up the courage to do it.
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Lawson,
Your playing was just made for an ES-150. Heck, they WERE L-50s with a CC attached.
Big thumbs up, here.
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Originally Posted by Greentone
Am I wrong that, basically, this involves, using an accurately drawn template, CAREFULLY cutting a hole in the top, drilling 3 holes, slipping the pickup through the hole, aligning the 3 holes, and fastening the 3 adjustment screws, as well as wiring the pots and output jack? I actually think with a razor hand saw I can do the pickup opening. I've done pots and jacks before, so that would not be especially challenging. I just get scared thinking about that really big old pickup unit and its physical mounting.
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The braces are more for tone than for strength. Cutting them near the neck won't weaken the top enough to be a problem. I have an Epiphone (laminate, not solid) archtop that has no braces at all. It was built in 1953, and AFAICT nothing has changed, except for the wood getting harder over the decades. Not a great acoustic tone, but it's pretty loud. Braces would probably help the tone, but lower the volume. It's fine as it is.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Originally Posted by Fred Archtop
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I read somewhere that metal alloy was different. Also, they used different wire gauge and round numbers. Last detail, they notched the bar under the B string in the reissue version which was never the case in the prewar version.
Compared to the original ES-150, the late ´70s, early ‘80s ES-175CC is a whole different thing.
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Originally Posted by Fred Archtop
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Right. I think '36/7 are the only un-notched models.
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Hmmm, I know it’s a matter of debate. My ES-150 is from 1938 and unnotched. Tried a 1940 a few months ago, unnotched too.
I discussed this point with René Duchaussoir years ago and he said that he had no evidence that prewar ES-150s were delivered B-string notched.
Musicians did this for sure, but Gibson workshop is doubtful.
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Anyone here have a review on how the single sized CC rail pickup sounds ?
I had a crazy idea... Asking my favorite boutique pickup builder for a jazz version of the Seymour Duncan P-rails... Consists in a jazz voiced Alnico 3 P90 + a CC rail to fit in a humbucker route ! But not sure if the CC sounds like a real CC pickup in a single rail size.
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Originally Posted by customxke
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Originally Posted by Madansi
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Originally Posted by AlohaJoe
Awesome. I'd gig that any time, any place, and I know I'd be perfectly happy with the sound/feel.
Guilds are so underrated.
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Attachment 72165
I first put Pete Biltoft CC rails in a Tele—lovely spalted maple, but ultimately too heavy for me.
This is how I use the same pickups now, in a hollow walnut Forshage Orion.
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