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I have the the loar lh-301t and i want to change the pickup(loar p90).I don't no much about P90s so i need a little help!!I like the Grant Green sound.
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02-09-2015 06:40 PM
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At great personal risk I'll throw out my opinion.
The first decision is whether the 60 Hz. hum is going to be a major issue. After all, that problem is what gave birth to humbuckers, so it should be considered. If hum is an important concern, there are P90 pups that are hum cancelling available. Check them out.
The next consideration is the sound you are after. I've not liked the hotter P90, 10K wraps. For the neck I prefer about 8500 to 9000 wraps. That gets a very articulate, airy sound without growl. I played one with 7800 wraps and thought the mids were too scooped.
Fralin, as well as others, will wrap them the way you want. You can call and discuss the sound you're going after.
Here's a link for Fralin.
Welcome to Lindy Fralin Pickups: Fralin P-90 Style Pickups - the Finest Guitar Pickups Available Today!
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There are also hum-cancelling P-90s which are suitable for jazz. A lot of pickup makers offer these.
I have DiMarzio hum-cancelling Area T pickups on my Tele and it is- ironically, perhaps- the least buzzy guitar I have ever owned. My guitars with regular humbuckers are much noisier. The sound of the Tele for jazz is excellent. If I wanted a really bright twangy sound, maybe they wouldn't do it but since I hate that sound anyway... the upshot is that if I was putting P-90s on a guitar I would not hesitate to look for one designed for no hum. I hate hum.
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I like the P90 sound too. A dummy coil with reverse polarity will cancel the Hum, but it will also slightly change the tone.
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I like the Loar p90's. If you want the Grant Green sound, turn down the bass on your amp first before you go spending money on new pickups.
Originally Posted by kosteva
Having said that, I only gig my single p90 guitars at venues that I know have quiet electricity. A p90 will pick up much more noise than a strat or tele pup will. It's a function of it's wide, low design. That same design is what make's 'em sound so good
I don't trust any of the so-called nosieless p90 designs to do what a real p90 does for the low strings as they are all humbuckers in disguise -- and all humbuckers flub out on the bottom compared to a p90. However, if I were to try one, I'd probably try out a Kinman. I had a set of his strat pups and they were the best out of all the noiseless designs I've used, though the low strings tended to "growl" more than "twang" like a good strat single coil does. Still, at volume they were just fine.
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the p90 is (apparently) a fairly forgiving design that most makes do pretty well. therefore, some people are quite to exceedingly happy with the plain old gibsons or even the lowly gfs models. personally, i have gibsons in my casino (which looks to be kinda similar to your loar) and i like them just fine. i do wonder about replacements, but it isn't a need. stereotypically, lollars are seen as clean and polite and gibsons are seen as dirtier (from a rock perspective), but mine clean up fine.
two p90 tricks would be to set up your amp with your guitar controls at around 8, for a more "acoustic" sound and lastly, shims. i found my neck p90 didn't need a big one, but the bridge did. shims are the best and cheapest upgrade you could make, and might even save your current p90 (as mine did).
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This is an interesting discussion! I think there is an important interaction effect between the guitar design, the specific picks and the amp that is used. In most discussions one or more elements is often ignored.
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Agreed. P90s that sounded too fat/not clear enough in my Epi Broadway sound much better (and more "as expected") in other archtops/solidbodies. The Broadway is a good example of a guitar that has a very fat, middy signature regardless of the pickups that are in it... I have found myself going with fewer winds and less mids as the experiments continue.... Originally Posted by lareplus
Where I doubt I would like Surf 90s in a solidbody Les Paul, or even in my Gretsch Hot Rod, the scooped nature of their tone works well with the fatness the Broadway inherently has. I'm going to buy some Bare Knuckle Manhattans for the Broadway... LOW WIND INDEED..... but I'll bet I wouldn't like them in a solidbody or even my trestle-braced Grestch (the trestle braces and maple top have a brighter tone than the Broadway's standard braces and spruce top).
Frankly, I was very surprised HOW MUCH difference the guitar/wood made with how pickups sound.... the B'way is the 1st guitar I've ever owned that has had such a drastic effect on pickup tone.
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I went back to PAFs but really liked my Bare Knuckle Half-Note.
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I'm happy with my P90 from BG pups. They're nice boutique pickups and cheap too.
BG Pups Pure90 Humbucker Sized P90
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I hate the hum de dum hum. . .but I like the P90s. I played through a Vox stomplab once and it was horribly noisy!!
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Between this 2 p90's("Lindy fralin p90 Hum-Cancelling dog ear" and "Seymour Duncan ANT-P90DE"),which one is better for jazz sound on the loar lh-301t?Do you think that with one of this p90's the guitar will sound better or should i leave the load p90?
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I got Fralin pickups in another guitar, if I had to buy again some boutique stuff I would definitely buy from him.
Incredible tone, just incredible.
And yes, he has P90.
Another option, less expensive, is Jess Loureiro. Great quality too.
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I had the GFS low-wind P90s in my Epiphone Broadway and thought they were fantastic, for the money or otherwise. Great clarity and balance across all frequencies, well-built, classic P-90 sound. Highly recommended.
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Sorry for reviving the thread, but I had to comment.
I've been using a set of Kinman P-90 buckers for about a month.
Not going to say that they give the definitive P-90 sound. Not sure I know what that is.
What I will say is that these are my favorite pickups, well, ever!
Zero noise, even with 4 OD pedals on... I had to check!
Clean, they are incredibly responsive to pick attack.
This is a pretty good demo...
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Another nice thing about Fralin is that he will rework a pickup for you if you're not happy--I once ordered a custom set of P90's and the neck pickup worked great in my particular guitar, but the bridge needed a little tweaking--he nailed it second time
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If you want a unique sound with tons of tone the ALNICO V Stapletop P90 is ideal in my opinion. Its a bit raw and organic but thats the thing that makes it unique. Youll either love it or hate it. Bob
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I have a Manhattan in my single PU archtop and I really like this PU. Originally Posted by ruger9
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