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Just wondering if there's any real world experience here in this regard. The stereotype screams "NO WAY", but I recall a few instances that bust the stereotype:
1) John McLaughlin answering GP magazine's query into gear many years ago (and I'm paraphrasing from memory) "Just a 345 straight into a 100 watt Marshall. Sorry to be so boring."
2) Johnny A
3) I recall a YT vid with Andy Summers playing a 335 with a convincing jazz tone, and it clearly showed him plugged into an old Marshall head. I'll see if I can find it.
Thoughts?
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02-08-2015 07:00 PM
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John Abercrombie uses a Marshall combo with Roland Jazz Chrous a lot. It's a matter of taking the time to learn how to dial in a sound. I think the older Marshall's were better before they went gain crazy.
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Yes. I played jazz on an unusual Marshall amplifier about 30 years ago. The amp was called a Studio 15. IIRC, the amp came equipped with two 6V6GT power tubes--_most_ unusual for a Marshall--and a Celestion speaker. (I can't remember now if it was a 12" or a 10" speaker.)
The amp didn't sound like your traditional Marshall, but it sounded very, very good. I was putting it through its paces with a ES 175 at the music store for a lengthy test run. (Veneman Music in northern Virginia, the store was pretty empty on a weekday morning) I was more or less all set to buy the amp, which sounded quite good for jazz and made a nice, compact package. It turned out, however, that Veneman had begun carrying Polytone amps, so I checked out a Baby Brute. Well...the Polytone sounded better for jazz than the Studio 15 did, so I walked out with that.
Still, if you ever see the somewhat scarce Studio 15--unusual amp and a nice sound for jazz.
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I have an 80's MKII 50 watt head on a 4x12 cab. It sounds pretty cool as in nice and warm and tuby. In fact I am going to share it with my neighbors the first warm stretch after a long winter of practicing.
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I saw him with that rig with the One Truth Band. Had front row for a rare club appearance. Was sitting about 6 ft from JM right in front of me. One of my best concert memories of all time. But LLOOUUDD!!
Originally Posted by kmaaj
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Funny you should mention this; I just played an organ trio gig at a place with a house B3, and was told they also had a backline amp. It turned out to be a 100W Marshall JMP head. It would have ripped the faces off the people in the audience had I been trying to get an overdriven rock sound out of it, but for jazz, it had plenty of headroom, that's for sure.
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Philip Catherine has played through Marshall Valvestate amps (cfr. Classic Jazz Guitar - Articles), that I remember seeing in some videos on YouTube I watched years ago, and his tone has always been beautiful - first of all thanks to his great touch, I guess.
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When I first moved down to London, back in '81, I saw a guy (not a "name" player that I can remember) playing jazz-y stuff on a 335 through a Marshall Club & Country model and I recall that he sounded good - as you can see from this page
(Rose-Morris Marshall - Marshall advertisement (1979))
As you can see, that model was regarded as "Marshall's Twin Reverb", although that guy I saw was using the 4x10" version. i was impressed enough to go out and look at the bass model but just couldn't afford it at the time - even for those days it was way too expensive for a newly-graduated student. Nowadays, I could afford it better - I just couldn't lift it.........
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I don't know if it's just me - but I've never had any luck with Marshall and I've tried owning a few over the years. They were unreliable and I just didn't like the tone and lack of variation with the eq. At the time I was with a covers band and wanted it for "thee" marshall sound...which I didn't like.I had a jcm 800 head and an old jmp head ..and a combo that I can't remember the name of. In terms of a clean jazzy tone - Marshall would be my last choice.Hiwatt - on the other hand - 2x10 all valve combo - maybe!
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Jazz on a Marshall? Why not? It's just another tube amp. Simply dial in a clean sound. I don't think it's impossible.
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I always found it easy to get a great jazz tone using a Marshall set for clean sounds, actually thinks it's easier to get a warm tone than using a Fender.
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I just loved my Marshall Class 5 with a tele. But I traded it off (regrettably) for other gear -- lack of reverb . . . I may go Marshall again at some point just for the fun of it. I think the warm cleans are great -- no half stack needed!
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When I was gigging in a hard rock band in the 80's, I made the switch from a GK head to a 50W JCM800 head. I remember "feeling" the difference; where the previous solid state amp help gloss over my glitches, the Marshall splattered my glitches all over the walls! I stuck with it though, because it translated to tighter grooves and a much clearer overall stage mix. I experienced a similar sensation when switching from Boogies to a Marshall JCM900 in the 90's. A few years ago, I bought that 800 back for awhile, pretty awesome amp in every aspect, but I decided my half stack days are over.
There's a few 18 watt "Bluesbreakers" on the secondhand market, I was thinking of checking one of those out. I'm just afraid they'd break up too quick.
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Longways, a trick I heard from Duke Levine I tried when I had an old AC30: jumper the top boost and normal channel and put a Holy Grail in between the channels. I tried it, and -that- was one gorgeous sound, huge difference from running the pedal in front.
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Ditto, verbatim. Thought my ears would not recover. Now that I think of it, I guess they didn't . Originally Posted by Woody Sound
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Excellent. What city? Originally Posted by fumblefingers
Ditto, verbatim. Thought my ears would not recover. Now that I think of it, I guess they didn't .
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Corey Christiansen swears by his Marshall and his sound is as good as any I've heard.
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When I saw Pat Martino on his Tribute to Wes tour he played a Clarus head through a Marshall 4X12 slant cab. He Sounded great.
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I've tried a few Marshalls and found them very hard to get a useable jazz sound with. There was far too much low end even with the bass all the way down, and the highs were brittle and harsh. I think the speaker/cabinet was mainly to blame. I imagine that through a different cabinet it could have sounded much better.
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I was in GC this afternoon -- played their new short scale tele through a couple of amps. A use tech 21 trademark 60 and a Marshall DSL5C combo. Everything sounded great, but I must admit -- the Marshall sounded super great! I could jazz out on a little Marshall tube combo all day long . . . Hmmmmmm. might be getting a bit of british amp gas!
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The best clean sound I've ever heard was not a Twin, but a Marshall JVM410H full stack. It'd be pretty damn tough trying to shove that monster into the local cafe though
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About Andy Summers , yeah, like his clean tones very much!
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The old JCM2000 DSL 401 is a twin channel with separate tone controls per channel. The clean channel had bass & treble tone stack and it was really nice and warm sounding but really not for playing quietly for practise. A great club amp though.
The new DSL 40C is unfortunately not the same.
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Absolutely correct, the only Marshall ever to use 6V6's. Very rare model. Originally Posted by Greentone
No affiliation, but there is one on sale at the moment, which might be of interest to UK players,
Marsall Studio 15 4001 Electric Guitar Amplifier | eBay
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