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Thinking of a Godin 5th Avenue just trying to decide on which model to get. Thinking his midnight blue period. My Godin Montreal just doesn't seem to have the depth required
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^ Here he is with the P90s:
and here he is with the CC:
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For a "midnight blue" sound, the best deal is a charlie christian pickup.
I had a Vintage Vibe CC in a humbucker format, Pete Biltoft customed it to be close to the KB's sound.
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awesome, I think I've found a few options locally I'll look into soon. Thanks so much.
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I am pulling things out of my derriere here but part of the KB Charlie Christian bar pickup tone comes from the mass of that thingy damping the top of the guitar through its 3-point mount.
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Perhaps there was significant dampening on that later L5, but my '37 ES-150 is surprisingly acoustically responsive.
Perhaps the X-bracing has something to do with that. I know that big honking pickup has a dampening effect, but that guitar is way more acoustically responsive that any modern 175 I've played.
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I get the "midnight blue'' sound from my floating Vintage Vibe CC pickups - I have them fitted on a Godin 5th Avenue and a Gretsch Synchromatic 400. The Gretsch gets closer to the KB sound, being a big 17'' archtop acoustic. The Godin still sounds very good in comparison though.
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So just a standard 5th ave I assume? Could be an option but I like the option of a cutaway... Hmmm. There is a Washburn J6 Wes Montgomery locally as well I might look into
Last edited by korey-craft; 12-11-2014 at 04:52 AM.
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When I was a kid, the guy who owned the town music store in the 60s (he had been a regional recording artist in the 50s) had an L5 like Burrell's, but blonde. He was a Fender amp dealer and he played the guitar through a black face Deluxe Reverb. It sounded terrific. The CC pickup really sounded great on the L5.
Of course, the tone doesn't get any better than on Burrell's "Midnight Blue" album.
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To really hear the "CC-unit" tone of Burrell's L5 on the "Midnight Blue" album, listen to the slow blues "Mule":
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Somebody's bound to ask...what amp(s) was Kenny Burrell playing? The answer is that it depends upon which point in his career you are referring to, of course. Early stuff, e.g., Blue Note 50s gigs, he generally plugged his ES175 into a Gibson tube amp. In the "Midnight Blue" era, he used Fender Tweed amps with his L5/CC (you can hear it, I think, on "Midnight Blue"). When he made the switch over to the big Super 400 and later the D'Angelico New Yorker, he generally used a Fender Twin Reverb--at least in concert.
Just judging from the sound, it seems to me that the signal chain on "Midnight Blue" is the L5 into a tweed Deluxe...could be a Super, but sounds more like a Deluxe.
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Another sensational example of KB tone is "Greensleeves" from the album "Guitar Forms" 1964 on Verve. The album was made with Gil Evans and his Orchestra. On this cut KB begins with classical guitar, but at 1:20 he cuts loose with a big, bad, dark sounding archtop. The amp sounds more "sophisticated" than a tweed Fender--maybe a Twin Reverb.
Give it a listen:
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FWIW - I just purchased and am eagerly awaiting a Lindy Fralin P-92 for my jazz box (Tom Painter P-175). It is a split blade P 90, a hum canceling P 90 in a humbucker size pickup, custom wound at 8500 winds /with 42 gauge. I emailed to ask some questions and let them know what I wanted and got an immediate reply asking to call and talk to Lindy directly regarding my needs. He was very helpful in responding to what I was looking for. I appreciate the one on one service.
BTW - big fan of Grant Green and Kenny Burrell. This pickup is replacing a custom HB that replaced a CC clone. I did not like the CC hum and the HB did not really shine in my amp (Carr Rambler) which seems to sound better with single coils to my ears.
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Looks like Kenny had that bridge P90 retro fitted. The vol/tone controls aren't in the factory position either.
Last edited by pubylakeg; 12-25-2014 at 08:27 PM.
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