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Here is what I did. Wait for a online retailer to have a big sale. Zzounds will beat any price advertised with free shipping and no tax so I got a new Fender Blues Deluxe for $649.00. I then got a new Eminence Swamp Thang speaker for $79.00 and installed it and biased the amp to 70 mill. Great jazz tone, tons of headroom, loud as hell, and the cool tweed look all for less than $730.00. Only bad thing is the amp is heavy. You just get your big strong drummer to lug it for you.
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11-12-2014 09:27 PM
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That is a good deal! However....my 90 watt Fender Deluxe 90 Reverb didn't even cost $200...used. It only weighs 30lbs. Did I mention it's solid state?
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What guitar(s) are you currently playing?
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Nice, I like those Blues Deluxes. Yea, 45lbs is a little heavy, but if it becomes a big deal you can always get a collapsible hand truck/cart for it. I just got one for use with my Bandmaster combo which is close to the same weight.
Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
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I just did this as a experiment. I have many amps already. My favorites are my Twin Reverb and my Henriksen but this cheap FBD with a simple speaker mod sounds awesome with my L5,Tal Farlow, and Guild X500. Sounds awesome at bedroom volumes and louder than you will ever need for any gig. A bit heavy to lug but much better than the weight of a FTR. IMO it sounds better than a DRRI. More headroom and volume and way cheaper too.
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A friend of mine uses a Hot Rod Deluxe--- I was really impressed by it. Even the overdrive was pretty good.
I use an old Peavey Bandit 65, it would be from the the early 1980s. I got it for $50....! It has a really nice clean tone, and heaps of headroom. It's not light though, I would guess it would be a similar weight to the Hot Rod Deluxe -- the Peavey Scorpion speaker in it is 'heavy duty' to say the least. Massive magnet, and 101db efficiency if I recall correctly. I have been tempted to change the speaker, but I'm pretty happy with the sound as it is. I've done loads of gigs with it and it's paid itself off many times now!
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A Fender Mustang III is a great alternative for a light to carry but powerful amp for great Jazz tones and then some.
HTH,
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Love my Cube 80XL these past couple of years. Haven't ever bothered with the modeled "Lead" amps side and only use the "JC Clean" model for a really nice jazz tone, IMHO. Decent FX, too (I just use a bit of reverb) with built-in tuner and even a looper. Not too heavy or too expensive either.
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Originally Posted by entresz
Just the man I looking for to ask about the Scorpion speakers. (anyone surprised I would resurrect a thread called "Want great jazz tone on a budget?")
I just posted that a Peavey Chorus 212 has come up for sale locally at $75. High gain channel is bust according to the seller, but for me, I'd never use it.
I also don't know if I would care to lug such a beast anywhere... however, amp aside, the 2 Scorpion speakers do interest me. The seller said that the 2 speakers alone were worth the price, and I dare say he's right if they don't need re-coning. Old Peavey SS amps: Not very sought after anymore. Old Scorpion speakers: Who cares anymore? Well, maybe me. Massive magnet = massive headroom I would wager to guess. Might they sound better replacing the Fender regular issue 12 " speakers in a few of my amps on the cheap? Maybe?
I plan to seek out a few speaker companies at NAMM. But, would the Scorpion speakers do in a pinch? They have to be better than the Fender stock speakers?
Tightwad Doc, always looking for cheap solutions to expensive tastes.Last edited by docdosco; 01-09-2016 at 10:36 PM.
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Doc, I've said a number of times here, my Peavey Classic VTX is my favorite amp of all time.
It has 2 - 12" Scorpions sitting inside of it, they never failed me and they sound amazing. Truly great speakers in my book.
JD
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not to rain on anyones parade..but unless you go back to the glorious days of alnico magnet speakers ie jbl d series, altec cans, some 50's-60's jensen alnicos, etc etc..the average late 60's to 90's ferrite magnet speaker can be outdone by modern speakers..
older speakers lose magnetic gauss, have cone and speaker edge rot, voice coil rub..etc etc...unles you are going for the real prime vintage stuff, i think you are better off buying a new speaker..and so many nice ones out there now!!..that are lighter, more efficient, have better power handling capability etc etc
take for instance a classic 60's celestion blue alnico speaker..as used by vox...they had a 15 watt power handling capability..recently the gold version came out and upped the capability to 50 watts while mainiaining the great hi-fi tone..now celestion has just recently released a 90 watt version!!..speaker tech is one area where things have improved...aside from classic jbl alnico type as i mentioned
cheersLast edited by neatomic; 01-09-2016 at 10:53 PM.
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Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco
Thanks.
It occurred to me that the 212 Chorus Scorpion speakers might be 4 ohm, instead of 8. That would put a hitch into slamming them into a Fender 112 amp.
I like the looks of the VTX. A hybrid with enough power to make a difference. I wasn't too knocked out by the Fender Champ 25 SE hybrid I got recently, until I demoed it for the guy who just bought it. It sounded better as it was leaving, rather than when it arrived. But I doubled my $$$. And, if I am going to lug a heavy amp to a gig, it won't be only 25 watts....
PS: This is the 212 amp in question. The speakers are 8 ohm as it is essentially two 112 amps built into one chasis. Interesting.
http://assets.peavey.com/literature/...s/80301371.pdfLast edited by docdosco; 01-09-2016 at 11:44 PM.
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I certainly like vintage alnico speakers. The D110F / D112F. I am aware of the problems with older speakers, and I am going to scout new speakers at NAMM. Originally Posted by neatomic
However:
http://www.amazon.com/Celestion-90-W.../dp/B00WWUQBMW
The $299 price tag doesn't fit the budget, found in a junkyard, or garage sale, or $25 in rumpled one dollar bills paid for the item that I'm looking for right now. Don't get me wrong, I'd probably love this Celestion, but if I can't find it cheap in on Craigs List it's not for me right now.
I did see a new WGS speaker that looked good for a reasonable price though. $70 or so for a 75 watt.
https://wgs4.com/12-g12cs-75-watts
Doc
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I live the Scorpion speakers... I have a mid 80's Programax 10 (big 2x12'' SS amp... kind of like a fancy version of the Renown), that's got twin scorpions. Likewise my little Bandit 65 has a scorpion. They're very powerful, I reckon they're damn near indestructible too.
If you can find them, another fantastic Peavey speaker that can be had for little in the way of $$$ is the "Black Widow" speakers. They came in a range of different sizes, I've got a 1976 Session 400 with a 15" black widow and that has such sweet clarity in the tops, with a big fat mid range and low end of the 15" speaker.
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wasn't implying that celestion was best bet for your situation..just using celestions modern speaker craft as an example of what's going on speaker progress wise... Originally Posted by docdosco
peavey speakers were 70's jbl E (ferrite mag) series inspired..and also ev's..no slouches!..and certainly durable..but lacking the "finesse" that certain other alnico classic (and modern) speakers can attain
cheersLast edited by neatomic; 01-10-2016 at 09:18 PM.
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The Celestion Gold is EXACTLY what I spec'd in the amp I'm having redesigned and built. Granted, any amp is a sum of components thing but I really dig this speaker. Originally Posted by neatomic
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I picked up an80XL off of Craigslist for $150 just before Christmas. The JC clean is great as you know but so is the Brit Combo over on the lead channel. I'm curious what have you dialed in as your EQ settings? I'm running bass=1, middle=5, treble=1, and presence=6. I also use a tick of chorus and about 40% of plate reverb.
Steve
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On my cube 30, I find the eq needs tweaking if I change volume at all. The amp has plenty of bass and treble on tap, and usually need to be taken down. Treble on mine usually stays well below noon. Blackface setting with gain half way and volume a little under half way up is my go to, but I also like the JC channel. For any grit I use the tweed channel. Great amps for the $.
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