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    I have both pedals now and I tried them side by side in front of a JazzAmp 112 ER to get a "Fenderish" flavor from the amp.
    For what is worth my review, I can say that ....I like both.
    However they are a bit different.
    First of all one should not forget that the Wampler is essentially an overdrive while the barb eq has
    an equalizer function.
    It seems to me that the Barb Eq in Blackface setting produces a smoother effect. The sound you get when the Barb Eq is engaged is closer to the original sound of the Henriksen amp, which you have when pedals are not engaged.
    More impressions later (If I have any....)

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    Great! Looking forward to hear more

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    I have both the Wampler Black 65 and the Barb EQ. I bought the Wampler pedal some time ago to give a bit of a ‘blackface’ tone to my Evans RE200 (I know, the Evans is probably the most blackface of all the good solid state amps, but I wanted more!).

    I recently also bought the Barb EQ based on Jorge’s enthusiasm for that pedal.

    As Jorge mentioned in one post, the Barb EQ is best into a flat response amp. As versatile as the Evans is, I’m not sure there is a flat response to be found on that amp and so I’m not yet convinced the Barb EQ (or the Wampler for that matter) can provide want I want.

    I do kinda like them both, but I think for me, the Wampler, just has the edge for the reason being that if I ever need any overdrive or distortion, it is there in the Wampler without having to add in another pedal.

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    Yeah I can imagine the Barber not going well with an Evans... I have found a flat setting on my Desktop HD Pod (Ampeg Bass Amp with all knobs at 5) and an excellent cab simulator (condensor mic with 2x12 fender open back cab). This combined with the Barb EQ and some eq / effects sounded amazing in my last reharsal trough a really cheap PA. I played a true blackface Vibrolux after and liked the sound of mine setup better... the Barber really captures that old Fender sound. Would love to try a Wampler one day though!

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    I am still exploring and getting my ears used to the Barb Eq.
    I have not yet tried the Barb EQ's other combinations, Tweed amp style and British amp head style (I don't know how useful they would be for Jazz, but it's worth a try.)
    However, if I had to keep only one at the moment, I think I'd choose the Wampler.
    The main reason, that I have already stated before, being that the Barb Eq changes the sound but
    I can still hear the basic quality of the JazzAmp.
    The Wampler Black 65 achieves a more drastic change.
    (The Wampler's settings I am using are: Boost mode, Gain at 9:00 or lower, Treble and Bass at 12:00, Mids between 9:00 and 12:00)

    For example, when I play into the JazzAmp without pedals (yesterday I used a 175) I hear a strong attack of the notes, which I don't like so much.
    The Wampler probably removes some of those frequencies and smooths out the attack. The notes come out more naturally.
    I don't get this effect with the Barb Eq, at least not much as the Wampler does.

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    i agree the Henriksen has a very peaky attack sound and the eq cannot dial it out (main reason I didn't like it). Let's see if a get a Wampler to try but I have to say the Barber will be hard to kick from my modelling board...

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    I recorded a few lines and chords as follows

    guitar --> Barb EQ --> Wampler 65 --> Hall of Fame Rev ---> Henriksen 112ER

    The reverb pedal was always ON.

    I recorded as follows:

    1) Both Barb and Wampler OFF
    2) Barb ON Wampler OFF
    3) Barb OFF Wampler ON
    Last edited by Jazz_175; 10-17-2014 at 10:02 AM.

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    Cool! Thanks for doing that! I liked all three sounds - perhaps the Wampler best by a small margin.

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    BTW the guitar is a Collings I35 LC

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    To me the first one sounds the best by a mile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz_175
    Gee, all 3 sound nice. I think I would pick the 3rd one by a slight margin, which is the Wampler Black '65 I guess.

    I'm surprised the Black '65 doesn't have more grit to it. Where did you have the gain set on it? Nice to hear it can do a clean tone.

    If you ever want to try another, the Catalinbread Formula 5F6 is worthwhile. It can stay clean as well, but is in the tweed department like a tweed bassman. It can do cleans where as their Formula 5E3 pedal can't.
    Last edited by monkmiles; 10-17-2014 at 03:53 PM.

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    I liked the Wampler 65 better too.

    Can I ask you the Barb EQ settings? I remember using the treble pretty high and the mids pretty down to make it have a more noticeable effect on the Henriksen.

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    Hi, thank you for these recordings, all 03 tracks have a great sound,

    I think that there is a little more volume or a little more compression on the third track
    that make it sound a little better,
    I'm I wrong ?

    Did you record the 03 tracks with the 112er tweeter on or off please ?

    thank you for your review

    christophe

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallpass
    Gee, all 3 sound nice. I think I would pick the 3rd one by a slight margin, which is the Wampler Black '65 I guess.

    I'm surprised the Black '65 doesn't have more grit to it. Where did you have the gain set on it? Nice to hear it can do a clean tone.

    If you ever want to try another, the Catalinbread Formula 5F6 is worthwhile. It can stay clean as well, but is in the tweed department like a tweed bassman. It can do cleans where as their Formula 5E3 pedal can't.
    Yes, the third one was with the Wampler 65 ON.

    The gain of the Wampler was set at 9:00, so almost no gain at all, however I noticed that, by digging hard, especially when playing chords, you get a bit of distortion.
    Of course you can get a whole lot of distortion by increasing the gain or, even more, by switching to the Gain Mode.
    In my case I adjusted bass and treble knobs at noon and removed the mids by placing the knob at around 9:00.

    I wish I could test the other pedals you mentioned but I don't think I will, because that requires a lot of money. I am now happy with Barb Eq and Wampler plus a few more that I already have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
    I liked the Wampler 65 better too.

    Can I ask you the Barb EQ settings? I remember using the treble pretty high and the mids pretty down to make it have a more noticeable effect on the Henriksen.
    I put the mids all the way down to the left. The treble and bass knobs were at 12:00, more or less ( I noticed later that the treble knob was slightly to the left of the 12:00 position).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjasan
    Hi, thank you for these recordings, all 03 tracks have a great sound,

    I think that there is a little more volume or a little more compression on the third track
    that make it sound a little better,
    I'm I wrong ?

    Did you record the 03 tracks with the 112er tweeter on or off please ?

    thank you for your review

    christophe
    The tweeter was always OFF.
    As for the more volume on track 3, I simply adjusted the volume knobs at 12:00 position for both pedals.


    As soon as I have time I will do again the test with a Stratocaster or a Telecaster.

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    Wow funny I remember the effect being much more drastic with the mids on zero... anyway, you got me curious on the wampler, great sound.

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    All 3 sound good to me, maybe the Barb slightly better. I'm really liking the sound of the Collings! I've never played one and will have to look into them. My 335 could never sound like that, though I dig it for lots of other stuff. I would take the Collings to a jazz gig without hesitation, if it sounded like that. Can't say the same for my 335, though I've never set it up with flat wounds, too much trouble. Thanks for posting!
    Last edited by yebdox; 10-18-2014 at 11:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yebdox
    All 3 sound good to me, maybe the Barb slightly better. I'm really liking the sound of the Collings! I've never played one and will have to look into them. My 335 could never sound like that, though I dig it for lots of other stuff. I would take the Collings to a jazz gig without hesitation, if it sounded like that. Can't say the same for my 335, though I've never set it up with flat wounds, too much trouble. Thanks for posting!
    I had a jazz gig yesterday and I used exactly the gear mentioned above: Collings I35 LC, Wampler 65, Hall of Fame Reverb and Henriksen 112ER.
    I also have a 335 that I use a lot. It's not bad, just different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanD
    I have both the Wampler Black 65 and the Barb EQ. I bought the Wampler pedal some time ago to give a bit of a ‘blackface’ tone to my Evans RE200 (I know, the Evans is probably the most blackface of all the good solid state amps, but I wanted more!).

    I recently also bought the Barb EQ based on Jorge’s enthusiasm for that pedal.

    As Jorge mentioned in one post, the Barb EQ is best into a flat response amp. As versatile as the Evans is, I’m not sure there is a flat response to be found on that amp and so I’m not yet convinced the Barb EQ (or the Wampler for that matter) can provide want I want.

    I do kinda like them both, but I think for me, the Wampler, just has the edge for the reason being that if I ever need any overdrive or distortion, it is there in the Wampler without having to add in another pedal.
    I have Evans RE150 (older model) those are GREAT jazz amps. Bought it with extension cab for $600 - I thought it was a steal. EQ on that amp is very flexible so I never felt a need to shape it with a pedal. Except when I had d'Addario Chromes and huge feedback issue with my d'Angelico Excel. I tried MXR 10-band EQ and I was able to minimize feedback that way. But after I moved to black tape-wound LaBella strings that seems to be less of a problem.
    As far as other tone shaping pedals I had Black 65 for a long while - but I never liked it. Sure it was flexiblebut I hated dirt part of it. I also ran RC Booster and Bondi Effects Sick As. And Retro-Sonic 808 - this one is my fav dirt pedal now although not much for jazz (more like Telecaster and BJr type of thing). In the end I do not use any OD now - my chain is auto-wah (3Leaf Audio GR2), compressor (Wampler Ego), booster (EP+ by ClinchFX), delay (TC E Flashback), looper (Ditto X2), reverb (Hall of Fame). I may try to add SickAs again - see how it sounds with LaBellas.
    I also had other dirt pedals from Wampler - Tweed 57, Ecstasy, Pinnacle Deluxe, Underdog. One by one sold them all. The only Wampler I kept is Ego.
    Last edited by woland; 10-19-2014 at 02:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz_175
    I recorded a few lines and chords as follows

    guitar --> Barb EQ --> Wampler 65 --> Hall of Fame Rev ---> Henriksen 112ER

    The reverb pedal was always ON.

    I recorded as follows:

    1) Both Barb and Wampler OFF
    2) Barb ON Wampler OFF
    3) Barb OFF Wampler ON
    I think I liked Barber better - Black 65 has that certain hollowness to it.

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    i liked the wampler the best in this instance. how do they handle chords and strumming? i remember being steered away from the wampler (and toward the barber) by you guys because of the lack of headroom.

    i wonder which would work better in front of a vox and/or a roland. i'm guessing the more colored of the two.

    i should note that at any rate, it's a nice sound and some nice playing.

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    I tried another "experiment" with a Telecaster, middle position for funky rhythm.
    Henriksen eq completely flat, everything at zero.

    Blackface setting for Barb Eq with trebles very high.

    Now the Barb Eq is the winner, very very nice sound. I couldn't get the same sound with the Wampler 65.

    I will post later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feet
    i liked the wampler the best in this instance. how do they handle chords and strumming? i remember being steered away from the wampler (and toward the barber) by you guys because of the lack of headroom.

    i wonder which would work better in front of a vox and/or a roland. i'm guessing the more colored of the two.

    i should note that at any rate, it's a nice sound and some nice playing.
    These pedals are NOT designed to go in front of a roland or a vox. For that go with a flat eq pedal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz_175
    I tried another "experiment" with a Telecaster, middle position for funky rhythm.
    Henriksen eq completely flat, everything at zero.

    Blackface setting for Barb Eq with trebles very high.

    Now the Barb Eq is the winner, very very nice sound. I couldn't get the same sound with the Wampler 65.

    I will post later.
    Good, curious to hear! What do you mean by zero / flat - everything at noon or everything to the left? The Henriksen is flat with everything at noon.

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    Yes, all knobs of the amp at noon. So there are no frequencies boosted or depressed by the amp's eq

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    Quote Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
    These pedals are NOT designed to go in front of a roland or a vox. For that go with a flat eq pedal.
    good to know. i will continue to successfully not spend money on either of these, then. what is this flat eq pedal that you speak of?

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    Most regular eqs are flat at noon - any graphic eq, any parametric eq, any baxandall eq (rc booster, shape eq, vfe rocket eq, acoustic guitar eqs like para driver di, etc...)

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    oh, you literally meant an eq pedal set flat. i've had decent results getting an "instant jazz" sound from an rc booster (slight high cut, slight bass boost) but i was after the "flavoring" that a character pedal might provide, so i could pretend i had more amps. though i will say that a vox can provide a very nice clean that would work well for what people think of as "jazz". especially the normal channel- bright switch off for older buttery stuff and on for a clearer tone.

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    I didn't meant that I'll try to be clearer - when you combine an eq with an amp the only way it makes some sense, to me, is one of them is flat. Putting a blackface pedal in front of a vox is something that does not make much sense to em (although it might sound good and ultimately that's the ruler). The Henriksen is great for these pedals because it's flat at noon. I know Fenders are supposed to be flat at zero but that never sound good to me honestly.

    Preamps / eq pedals can have some functions - emulate an amp's preamp (barb eq, wamplers, rc boosters, tech 21 characters, ethos, all "amp in a box" pedals), warming a sterile amp (all the ones mentioned behind plus some clean boosts) and tone shaping (the eqs I mentioned before). Some combine several functions...

    If one has a amp with non flat (say roland cube, close to a blackface eq) that sounds sterile then it's kind of tough because not many pedals are "warmers" and "tone shapers". The ideal would be a parametric eq with jfets to emulate a tube amp... No one does one AFAIK.

    In my case with a Roland I just need a parametric eq to shape the mids and I can live with the "sterile" part. With an henriksen the Barb EQ was perfect. With my Mambo nothing, if something a parametric eq. With a Fender also just a parametric eq. No experience with Vox!

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    As an aside note regarding the Barb Eq I noticed that it generates a little hiss when introduced in the chain of pedals.
    I had the impression the Barb Eq was responsible for that noise.
    Do you get the same? It is quite annoying if I pay attention to it.

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    I have some hiss with the treble really high or the bright switch on. Just like real amps

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    My most recent addition for "cleanish" pedal do give tone some character is JHS Morning Glory. Stack it with Retrosonic 808 (Tubescreamer) and EP booster and voila! - the tone machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz_175
    As an aside note regarding the Barb Eq I noticed that it generates a little hiss when introduced in the chain of pedals.
    I had the impression the Barb Eq was responsible for that noise.
    Do you get the same? It is quite annoying if I pay attention to it.
    I think I found the source of the noise. I was using a 1-Spot 9V DC adapter with a multi-plug cable for powering more pedals. I noticed that the noise disappears when the Barb Eq is powered independently of the other pedals (I used two 1-Spot adapters).
    I am thinking about investing on a good power supply like a Carl Martin Pro Power.

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    Sorry to revive an old thread, but how did you get that great clean sound with the Wampler?

    With my Humbucker equipped guitar (Gibson ES-137, has Gibson '57 humbuckers) I have to turn to volume knob on the guitar way down before I get clean tone. Gain setting on the Black 65: minimum.

    (The drawback of having to turn the guitar volume knob way down is that the tone of the guitar gets "darker".)


    Even my Strat with Standard Fralin Single Coils (Vintage Strat set) there's crunch when playing at minimum Gain setting.


    Settings on Wampler: Gain Setting: minimum; Gain Boost: disabled; Bass Setting: low, Mids: 11:00; Treble: 14:00, Volume: 10:00 (matches volume of amp with pedal disabled).


    Is this to be expected? It was advertised as a "tone shaper" at low gain settings. So I was expecting less dirt at minimum settings. Otherwise it sounds great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
    i agree the Henriksen has a very peaky attack sound and the eq cannot dial it out (main reason I didn't like it). Let's see if a get a Wampler to try but I have to say the Barber will be hard to kick from my modelling board...

    I have an older Henriksen and to fix that I put foam in front of the tweeter, then gaffer tape over the whole thing. Attenuates the tweeter and gets rid of that sharp attack

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    Hi PB+J, my Henriksen didn't have a tweeter... I think it was the cab design plus the power amp's response to transients. But mainly, cab design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boneshaker335
    Sorry to revive an old thread, but how did you get that great clean sound with the Wampler?

    With my Humbucker equipped guitar (Gibson ES-137, has Gibson '57 humbuckers) I have to turn to volume knob on the guitar way down before I get clean tone. Gain setting on the Black 65: minimum.

    (The drawback of having to turn the guitar volume knob way down is that the tone of the guitar gets "darker".)


    Even my Strat with Standard Fralin Single Coils (Vintage Strat set) there's crunch when playing at minimum Gain setting.


    Settings on Wampler: Gain Setting: minimum; Gain Boost: disabled; Bass Setting: low, Mids: 11:00; Treble: 14:00, Volume: 10:00 (matches volume of amp with pedal disabled).


    Is this to be expected? It was advertised as a "tone shaper" at low gain settings. So I was expecting less dirt at minimum settings. Otherwise it sounds great.
    Hi,
    actually I do not remember the settings I used on my guitar, which was a Collings I35 LC. The Collings sounds clearer than a Gibson with 57 Classics for sure.
    I have to update this thread by saying that, just recently, I sold the Wampler.
    Reason was that it seemed to me that something was not so nice, especially on the high E and B strings, when the Wampler was engaged. So I was not using it any longer. I can't exactly explain what it was, maybe a more compressed sound or a thinning of the notes.
    I replaced it with an Empress Para Eq, which I bought last year but I returned it the very same day.
    After a year I decided to buy it again and to keep it.
    I am also thinking that at some point I should get rid of the Barb Eq as well, and replace it with another EQ pedal.

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    A really inexpensive and effective way t do this is with a Joyo American sound pedal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz_175
    ....I sold the Wampler....
    I replaced it with an Empress Para Eq......
    I have both now, do you mind sharing your settings for Empress ParaEQ to get a blackface sound ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by medblues
    I have both now, do you mind sharing your settings for Empress ParaEQ to get a blackface sound ?
    Hi,
    I'm not sure which settings would be close to a blackface sound, but, what I have understood so far is that you should remove a fair amount of mid frequencies to get close to that.
    In general, when I use the Henriksen without any other pedals, the knob I turn down to 9:00 o'clock is the second from left, which is the 300Hz knob. Those are the frequencies that in general disturb me a bit.
    I have tried to do the same with the Empress.
    But I don't think you'll ever get a blackface sound out of a Henriksen with an Empress Para Eq in front.

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    If you want to get a sense of how a fender tone stack works just install the brilliant "tone stack calculator"

    TSC


    It gives you a graphical representation of what the fender/vox/marshall B/M/T tone stack does, and you can vary the knobs and see how it changes

    At this link there's a great description of how it differs from a Baxandall stack

    Passive Baxandall

    The fender mid scoop is almost impossible to eq away--i forget the best settings, it's like mid on 10, bass on zero and treble on 1--and it moves around, but in general it's centered between 300 and 1000. It's pretty sharp too.

    Honestly, a Joyo American Sound Pedal reproduces , say, a black/silverface Deluxe really astonishingly well. Try it for 40 bucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by PB+J
    Honestly, a Joyo American Sound Pedal reproduces , say, a black/silverface Deluxe really astonishingly well. Try it for 40 bucks
    which should be a cheap reproduction of a Tech 21 pedal, I think.

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    If you do a 400hz mid cut it would emulate the fender sound, although when I tried doing that with a parametric I did not like the sound. There's more to an amp than just eq, pedals like the Barber emulate the whole Fender preamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz_175
    which should be a cheap reproduction of a Tech 21 pedal, I think.
    I have both the tech 21 Blonde pedal and the Joyo American Sound pedal, which is an imitation of the tech 21. The consensus at Free stompboxes seems to be it's basically a clone with a few small resistor differences. I like the Joyo better. it has a "looser" feel: less solid state, for want of a better word. it's a small difference.

    I bought the Joyo on a lark, then bought the tech 21 used because I thought it would be a better pedal. Really, I like the Joyo better. Put it in fornt of a Henricksen amp (I have a 1x10) and you'd be hard pressed to tell it from a deluxe

    Here's a very hasty clip--I just pulled the pedal out, fiddled with the knobs for like a minute, and pressed record. guitar is a homemade hollow body tele with Bill lawrence microcoil pickups, in the middle positon

    First, a henriksen jazzamp, 1x10 cab, controls set flat, miced with a small diaphram condenser. Hall of Fame reverb. Then you'll hear the click as the pedal switches on and hear the difference

    JO-YO

    I don't have a fender style tone stack amp at the moment, so I didn't it and try to match anything specific.
    Last edited by PB+J; 11-02-2016 at 06:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PB+J
    I have to say that I like both, without and with the pedal on. Having sold the Wampler I might try the Joyo.