Quilter Tone Block exf out/in

[jzucker]

The tone block can accept direct guitar signal, attenuation to use with more guitaristic speakers and maybe speaker emulated line out? Was not sure on this last one. I don't think the Carvin has these features.

Even with 100% clean sounds I prefer reverb and delay on the loop, they blend better with the clean tone.

That's a very broad, sweeping generalization. A lot depends on the design of the amp, the design of the loop, etc. If you have a parallel loop like the AI amps, it's great to put time based effects in the loop. Unfortunately, AI doesn't give you a blend control so that negates the usefulness.

So how well the reverb performs in the loop depends on a lot of factors.

And the statement about attenuation to use with more guitaristic speakers and speaker emulated out doesn't make sense to me. To use the carvin with a guitaristic speaker is simple. Just don't turn it up to 10. You obviously can't use the carvin with a 50w rated speaker and crank it. Speaker emulated out (didn't realize it had that) is cool but I'd be willing to bet money that it's just a simple low pass filter. How useful that is, I don't know. But I do know that carvin has XLR outputs so you can run it into a board. That's a big plus.

[jzucker]

I dunno. I was thinking if they are advertising real tube tone, and you set the master on a lower wattage, and the gain way up, doesn't that spell distortion?

yes, but who is really going to use it that way? As I said before, the Aviator's overdrive isn't as good as good as my pedals. I compared it earlier today with my TS9 and actually prefer the TS9 so yes, technically you could get overdrive out of it but in practical terms, you'd probably just use it set to clean and use a pedal for overdrive and in that case the loop isn't so important.

[jorgemg1984]

That's a very broad, sweeping generalization. A lot depends on the design of the amp, the design of the loop, etc. If you have a parallel loop like the AI amps, it's great to put time based effects in the loop. Unfortunately, AI doesn't give you a blend control so that negates the usefulness.

So how well the reverb performs in the loop depends on a lot of factors.

And the statement about attenuation to use with more guitaristic speakers and speaker emulated out doesn't make sense to me. To use the carvin with a guitaristic speaker is simple. Just don't turn it up to 10. You obviously can't use the carvin with a 50w rated speaker and crank it. Speaker emulated out (didn't realize it had that) is cool but I'd be willing to bet money that it's just a simple low pass filter. How useful that is, I don't know. But I do know that carvin has XLR outputs so you can run it into a board. That's a big plus.

It is a broad generalization in the sense that I have not tried all delays and all reverbs in all loops. With all the delay and reverb pedals I had so far (and all the amps with loops) I like using them in the loop more than in front. They blend more naturally with the clean tone. Not a night and day difference but I hear it.

I am not sure with a 250w / 500w amp and a 50w speaker is just a matter of not turning it into 10... I can easily see one blowing a speaker. I have an RMS limiter on my Mambo and I find it very useful, speakers are too expensive to risk it (not to mention it must no be very funny to blow a speaker at a gig).

Not sure how the line out is. If it's speaker emulated it should have an on / off switch (so it's off when one uses modelers and on when one just uses a preamp).

The ability to run instrument level is very useful... I never liked using pedals trough power amps even if some pedals could reach line level (like a Para Driver DI). Always sounded weird to me... that's why I got the Henriksen head, it's basically a power amp that accepts instrument level.

Again, to me input gain level and watts attenuation are a big plus compared to the Carvin. If they've had a put a good cab simulator with on / off switch they would have a killer product imo.

[Woody Sound]

yes, but who is really going to use it that way? As I said before, the Aviator's overdrive isn't as good as good as my pedals. I compared it earlier today with my TS9 and actually prefer the TS9 so yes, technically you could get overdrive out of it but in practical terms, you'd probably just use it set to clean and use a pedal for overdrive and in that case the loop isn't so important.

The idea I was pondering was to have a pedalboard/amp and a speaker, instead of carrying a head and speaker or heavy combo. The pedalboard/amp might consist of the Quilter, a small tube pedal for overdrive, a digital reverb, and a chorus. Maybe also a TU-3 tuner or something similar. The whole board could fit into my gear bag, so I would be carrying:

1. guitar
2. gear bag
3. speaker

[Woody Sound]

i still want to know why you'd use that over something like the carvin BX250 or BX500 which have a full suite of tone controls, graphic eq and a tube on the BX500, effects loops, XLR out etc?

To me, the tone block needs to be well under $300 to make it competitive unless they want to refactor it with a treble and bass control. IMO...

This is $150 less than the tone block with way more power and flexibility...

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Here's another one to consider.

http://www.markbass.it/product_detail.php?id=99

[jzucker]

It is a broad generalization in the sense that I have not tried all delays and all reverbs in all loops. With all the delay and reverb pedals I had so far (and all the amps with loops) I like using them in the loop more than in front. They blend more naturally with the clean tone. Not a night and day difference but I hear it.

I am not sure with a 250w / 500w amp and a 50w speaker is just a matter of not turning it into 10... I can easily see one blowing a speaker. I have an RMS limiter on my Mambo and I find it very useful, speakers are too expensive to risk it (not to mention it must no be very funny to blow a speaker at a gig).

Not sure how the line out is. If it's speaker emulated it should have an on / off switch (so it's off when one uses modelers and on when one just uses a preamp).

The ability to run instrument level is very useful... I never liked using pedals trough power amps even if some pedals could reach line level (like a Para Driver DI). Always sounded weird to me... that's why I got the Henriksen head, it's basically a power amp that accepts instrument level.

Again, to me input gain level and watts attenuation are a big plus compared to the Carvin. If they've had a put a good cab simulator with on / off switch they would have a killer product imo.

i've used SS power amps for 20-25 years and have never blown a speaker. Never needed a "limiter" for "guitaristic" speakers. Also, i've used reverb pedals in front of amps for about that same length of time. No issues and always got a great sound.

[jzucker]

Here's another one to consider.

http://www.markbass.it/product_detail.php?id=99

great amp, i've used them off and on for many years. Tone controls are very odd on those. Treble is in the wrong place and while the VLE and VPF knobs might work for bass, I found them clumsy for guitar.

Gimme a good set of tone controls and I'll take 'em every time. I wish Carvin would make a guitar version of that SS bass amp with more guitar-centric tone controls.

[jzucker]

The idea I was pondering was to have a pedalboard/amp and a speaker, instead of carrying a head and speaker or heavy combo. The pedalboard/amp might consist of the Quilter, a small tube pedal for overdrive, a digital reverb, and a chorus. Maybe also a TU-3 tuner or something similar. The whole board could fit into my gear bag, so I would be carrying:

1. guitar
2. gear bag
3. speaker

agreed, that would be killer but I wonder if you'd pine for tone controls. I know that I'm somewhat disappointed with the first channel on my quilter aviator. Not nearly enough control just having the single tone control. I end up using channel 2 most of the time but it doesn't seem to have the input headroom.

Don't get me wrong. I still love it but I know it can be improved.

[Goldentone1950]

The Quilter ToneBlock 200 is a next generation guitar head powerful enough to take on even the most heavyweight amp, but light enough and small enough to cozy up on your board with your favorite pedals. With rack mounting options, you can even build the ultimate stereo amplifier for your rack modelers. With all the tone of Quilter Lab's next generation solid state technology, it is going to feel like you plugged into a tube amp. All analog, no emulation, just amazing tone.


Useful:


The most power you have ever experienced in the smallest possible package. From the pedalboard to the rack, the Tone Block delivers on the promise of lightweight, next generation Quilter tone in the most diminutive of packages.


Practical:


From the Quilter proprietary direct out to the jaw dropping tube-like tone, never before has so much clean headroom been put into such a practical application. Set it up with your pedals or your rack mount effects to achieve incredible results effortlessly.


Versatile:


Use it anywhere, in any setting. It is everything you love about tube tone without the tradeoffs or hassles. Plug it in there in the studio through the direct out to record late at night. Then crank it into your favorite cabinets at the gig. All the while without giving up on your tone, your way through the front end you already love. Or just bring it along as a backup. Either way, there is no end to the ways the Tone Block has your back at every gig, every night, any place on the face of the earth.


Specifications:


0 - 200 Watts of real world power with calibrated power markings
Gain, Master and Contour controls
1/4" high impedance input
Dual 1/4" Mono outputs for variable loads 16 to 4 ohms
Proprietary direct out
4 Pounds
8 3/8"W x 3"H x 7 1/2"D
Ultra Compact (Roughly the size of a double wide effects pedal)
Universal power supply. (Take it anywhere in the world without need for transformers or switches.)
Locking power cable

[pingu]

thats just the blurb ... ??

[Woody Sound]

agreed, that would be killer but I wonder if you'd pine for tone controls.

Maybe I could add an EQ pedal. OR if I could find a tone control pedal with an overdrive switch.

[Woody Sound]

thats just the blurb ... ??

Goldentone1950 appears to be someone from Quilter.

[medblues]

i haven't tried the bass amp combo but i've owned the bx250 and bx500 heads. The bx250 has the tone controls in the wrong place for treble and so does the 500 but the 500's graphic eq makes it workable. With the 250, it was fine for a dark, jimmy bruno style jazz tone but if you wanted the benson tone you would need a barbeq , ethos or something similar.

And the tone of the heads was fantastic through a decent cab. I ran it through my AI Corus speaker setup and it was very nice for bass, jazz guitar and acoustic. I think it's a bit more transparent than the AI heads so it also works as a "power amp" if you want to plug your preamp into it. And unlike the AI which has a parallel effects loop, you can plug a preamp such as the ethos directly into the effect return so you're using only the power section.

Do you mind sharing your "flat" power amp like settings for BX250 if you remember them ? I wanted something without a cooling fan and mute switch and BX250 was a very affordable choice. I like mine a lot. But I don't know how to determine the flat settings of the preamp.

[nosoyninja]

The Quilter ToneBlock 200 is a next generation guitar head powerful enough to take on even the most heavyweight amp, but light enough and small enough to cozy up on your board with your favorite pedals. With rack mounting options, you can even build the ultimate stereo amplifier for your rack modelers. With all the tone of Quilter Lab's next generation solid state technology, it is going to feel like you plugged into a tube amp. All analog, no emulation, just amazing tone.

In other words... A really small, really poweful, clean, power amp. If we eliminate the market-speak.

K

[Goldentone1950]

No Not from Quilter

Goldentone1950 appears to be someone from Quilter.

[chrisparks]

Goldentone1950 appears to be someone from Quilter.

I can vouch for Goldentone1950... I actually work at Quilter Labs.
Hey gang, if you have any questions, I am always happy to answer.
Thank you so much for noticing our little monster.
=)
-chris

[jzucker]

Chris, please add tone controls! Concentric treble and bass would make this the bee's knees.

[jads57]

Hey Nosynininja what's that guitar pictured in your Tag/Name? Very nice looking 15" or16", Tom Bills?

[jzucker]

also , chris - I think the strategy of the products is a bit funny. Most of the folks I know who have bought the closed back combos have little interest in all the various tweed settings, overdrive settings and such. I think you have it backwards. In my mind, it's the jazz guys who want the small, light , closed back cab. You should either swap the amps out or make the aviator amp available as an option in the closed cab.

[nosoyninja]

Hey Nosynininja what's that guitar pictured in your Tag/Name? Very nice looking 15" or16", Tom Bills?

It's a Frank Vignola model built by Ryan Thorell. I just put some pics in this very recent thread:

https://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/showpost.php?p=402018

You can also see some more pics in my NGD post from last year.

[chrisparks]

also , chris - I think the strategy of the products is a bit funny. Most of the folks I know who have bought the closed back combos have little interest in all the various tweed settings, overdrive settings and such. I think you have it backwards. In my mind, it's the jazz guys who want the small, light , closed back cab. You should either swap the amps out or make the aviator amp available as an option in the closed cab.

Thanks for your suggestions. You are an astute observer, and I always value your thoughts.
=)

[Little Jay]

Here's another one to consider.

http://www.markbass.it/product_detail.php?id=99

Hmm, bassplayer of my band has that one. I'll try to plug in my guitar sometime to see how that works!

[steves3972]

would the tone block be suitable for acoustic guitar as well if put through a full range speaker cabinet?