When picking my string - metallic twang instead of warmth: '65 DRRI

[AlsoRan]

I was playing my Fender Vibrochamp XD on the "Jazz King" Voice, option 15 on the rotary dial. After an hour, I switched over to my Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb Reissue (DRRI). I was stunned at how much the string had a sound of metal twanging. Compared to the Vibrochamp, the top two treble strings sounded twangy and loud, while the lower "E" and "A" strings were quieter and warmer.

I had to take the treble down under "4" and the bass up over "7" and then it started to warm up.

I have to add that I was playing along with Band in a Box through a small PA in my bedroom, and while the Vibrochamp seemed warmer, the Fender '65 DRRI was able to cut through with more clarity.

Please tell me if I am correct in that to get that traditional, warm, slightly bass Jazz sound, you really have to bring down the treble close to "3" on a '65 DRRI. Has this been your experience with this amp?

[Frank67]

Hi. AlsoRan, That sounds alright to me. Similar on a twin. The twang is the signature Fender sound, in particular in combination with a tele or strat. I have a Superchamp xd and with a tele plugged into channel 1 it sounds good to me for jazz with treble down to zero (e.g.

)

cheers,
Frank

[rpguitar]

I keep the treble between 3 and 4 on my SFPR (with a 12") as well. Dial it in until it sounds good. If you can't dial it in, that's a problem... otherwise it's just a number. Don't sweat it.

[jorgemg1984]

The DRRI vibrato channel is very bright because it's wired like the bright switch is always on. And I find current fenders to always be bright... it cuts trough on a trio setting but with horns blackface voiced amps sometimes lack too much mids in order to be present in the mix.

You can run the bass at 7 with a Fender? That would be a lot of bass with my archtop and PAFs. With P90s the excess of bass and treble and lack of mids of Fender amps seems to be much easier to deal with.

[SamBooka]

... which.. in reference to what Jorgemg says... may players "clip" the bright cap (not suggesting it in this case)

What was your volume set at? The way the volume control loads down the previous preamp stage means that on fender amps you lose a lot of high end with the volume below a certain point (my rule of thumb is 3.. I have never heard a classic fender tube amp sound nice below 3.. ymmv).

Just curious.

[AlsoRan]

... which.. in reference to what Jorgemg says... may players "clip" the bright cap (not suggesting it in this case)

What was your volume set at? The way the volume control loads down the previous preamp stage means that on fender amps you lose a lot of high end with the volume below a certain point (my rule of thumb is 3.. I have never heard a classic fender tube amp sound nice below 3.. ymmv).

Just curious.

The DRRI was set up like this:

Volume: 4

Treble: around 3

Bass: around 7.5

Vibrato Channel 2

I was using an Epiphone Sheraton II with '57 Classic (neck)/Classic Plus (Bridge) pickups and I was on the neck pickup with the tone control at 8 and the volume at 8.

I was able to warm the sound up a little and limit the twang, but at the cost of of some overall volume, and I had to pick harder on the lower strings.

I think I may need to adjust my pickups, although I hate to do that because I was able to dial the sound I wanted in on the VibroChamp.

[AlsoRan]

Hi. AlsoRan, That sounds alright to me. Similar on a twin. The twang is the signature Fender sound, in particular in combination with a tele or strat. I have a Superchamp xd and with a tele plugged into channel 1 it sounds good to me for jazz with treble down to zero.
cheers,
Frank

I did not know this was a characteristic of the amp. I don't hear the twang in recordings by other people.

I will probably have to play with it a little more, but I will keep this in mind.

Thanks.

[monkmiles]

I don't think there's anything abnormal or wrong with dialing the treble down down. I do so on my Fender amps too, sometimes as low as 2. The bass I usually have around 5 or 6 I guess. But it also depends on your guitar, strings, etc too. Fender amps can be bright. I believe the Deluxe Reverb RI also has a bright cap engaged which some people mod too (that was already mentioned above).

[kawa]

In case of ES-175D Volume ; 8. Tone ; 10
Vib - Ch
Treble ; 1(minimum) - 2
Bass ; 3.5
Volume ; 2.2 - 2.7(Home) 3(Stage)

[Jazz_175]

In case of ES-175D Volume ; 8. Tone ; 10
Vib - Ch
Treble ; 1(minimum) - 2
Bass ; 3.5
Volume ; 2.2 - 2.7(Home) 3(Stage)

I have to try this setting and see what comes out.

[AlsoRan]

In case of ES-175D Volume ; 8. Tone ; 10
Vib - Ch
Treble ; 1(minimum) - 2
Bass ; 3.5
Volume ; 2.2 - 2.7(Home) 3(Stage)

Thanks, Kawa.

I am going to give this a try. I will let you know how it works with my ES-175 and Sheraton II.

[Jazz_175]

What strikes me is Tone at 10

[monkmiles]

What strikes me is Tone at 10

Yea, it's interesting to me too. Some people like to adjust the eq only on the amp while others like a combination. I've gone back and forth and currently am like my guitars tone knob at like 8 out of 10 and then adjusting the treble down on the amp more.

[kawa]

Normal sence.

Guitar's tone 10 is minimum high cut and most original sounds.

Very important for testing or setup scenes for checking the total conditions included the shield cable and etc.

http://www.gibson.com/Files/schematics/ES335-ES175.pdf

http://www.gibson.com/service/tech/schematics/

[jorgemg1984]

I always use the tone 10, I rather cut the treble on the amp. The guitar tone makes things too muddy for my taste...

[AlsoRan]

In case of ES-175D Volume ; 8. Tone ; 10
Vib - Ch
Treble ; 1(minimum) - 2
Bass ; 3.5
Volume ; 2.2 - 2.7(Home) 3(Stage)

All right Kawa,

I tried it with both a modified Epiphone ('57 Classic /Classic Plus pickups) and my Gibson ES-175.

I agree with keeping that treble low (around 2.5) but I had to set the bass at around 6 and the volume up around 3.75.

This allowed me to really feel the music and both guitars vibrated since I was sitting 10 feet in front of the amp.

Your settings were nice however, just a little too tame for what I would want.

Thanks!

[kawa]

You are too much settings of volumes and bass on the amps, AlsoRan like your another thread titles.

1. Use the amp stand.
2 Vibration is near howling, get the balance Distance, Direction, Ungle, Tone, Volume, for safety play.

Too much volume is of course distoring, use the under the clear sounds by any amps, it is specs.

Regards.

[AlsoRan]

You are too much settings of volumes and bass on the amps, AlsoRan like your another thread titles.

1. Use the amp stand.
2 Vibration is near howling, get the balance Distance, Direction, Ungle, Tone, Volume, for safety play.

Too much volume is of course distoring, use the under the clear sounds by any amps, it is specs.

Regards.

I understand your concerns. I want to keep my hearing too .

The good thing is that I rarely ever play loudly, maybe four or five times a year. Also, I don't play very long when I do crank it up.

Solid advice for a mature player to follow.

[kawa]

Please watch the "Good Sounds" page 14 #408 "The Reference of Normal Sound Demos & Somethings"
https://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/guita...html#post82263

and page 42 #1233 DRRI Sounds, thank you.
https://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/guita...tml#post260277

from past posting

How To Use

1.Amp location:Behimd the neck side of your standing positions on the
stage and tilt-back towards to your ears.

2.Control the bass level and volume.
(You must get the good sounds for safety play.)


also about the

Amp Stand

Amazon.com: AMP150 Amplifier Stand: Musical Instruments

Very useful and efective for the stage and sounds pursuit at the home.

Each players always feel the own sounds and prevent the too mutch volume and good for band sounds.

[lpdeluxe]

I had a DRRI for several years and I liked it well enough with my 335 plugged into it. I had another rig that I liked better, which was a Bandmaster VM head into a Weber California Ceramic 15 cabinet.

One day I plugged the DRRI into the Weber and that spoiled it for me. Recently I sold the DRRI and bought the new DR head that Fender recently released. It now sits on the Weber and it's about a perfect match. So far I have been running my Carvin SH550, which is equipped with single coil Jazzmaster pickups, and haven't had a chance to plug in the Gibson. I know that I'll sell the Bandmaster head.

[monkmiles]

LPDeluxe, that setup with the DRRI head looks awesome!

[lpdeluxe]

LPDeluxe, that setup with the DRRI head looks awesome!

Thank you. It's bigger than I like, but it has a much sweeter top end than the 12 combo. This evening it will get a workout with my 335 plugged in. The size isn't an issue, since it will stay in the music room -- my Jazzmaster Ultralight goes to gigs. The DR+Weber rig isn't too cumbersome, though, since the head weighs 27 lb (actually what the entire JMUL is!) and the speaker box is a little more.

[jorgemg1984]

Please watch the "Good Sounds" page 14 #408 "The Reference of Normal Sound Demos & Somethings"
https://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/guita...html#post82263

and page 42 #1233 DRRI Sounds, thank you.
https://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/guita...tml#post260277

from past posting

How To Use

1.Amp location:Behimd the neck side of your standing positions on the
stage and tilt-back towards to your ears.

2.Control the bass level and volume.
(You must get the good sounds for safety play.)


also about the

Amp Stand

Amazon.com: AMP150 Amplifier Stand: Musical Instruments

Very useful and efective for the stage and sounds pursuit at the home.

Each players always feel the own sounds and prevent the too mutch volume and good for band sounds.

Although I appreciate your effort youtoube is not a good source for "good sounds" and there is no such thing as "the settings". Rooms sound different and guitar / strings / pickup / pick / amp / speaker combinations do too. Also player's hands and taste... I also have some favorite settings but I need to change them regularly according to the room - one good example is reverb, some rooms ask for a lot other ask for barely none.

[kawa]

Of course very important for testing or setup scenes for checking the total conditions included the shield cable and etc.

Everythings is speakers output sounds, I keep the front of the speakers sounds always.