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I saw Pat Martino play a year ago and he was using a MesaBoogie head into a Marshall 4x12 cabinet. Guess it depends on the sound you are after. Try it.
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02-11-2019 01:53 PM
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I've heard Adam Rogers use a Marshall stack with Michael Brecker. Steve Khan has a solid state amp he plays through a pair of Marshall cabinets.
I'm not so familiar with every model, but if your Marshall can dial in a reasonably clean tone for the volume you play at, I wouldn't worry. Al lot of why something is considered a 'jazz amp' (Polytone, Henriksen) is less for the sound and more for it's size, given the logistics of a typical gig (NYC subway to small stage mostly taken up with a large piano, and the need to set up and tear down as quickly as possible..) Depending on the situations you play in, you might want something more portable, but you should be able to get a decent jazz sound out of your current gear until then. Best wishes for your music!
PK
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Try a Fender, and see how you like it compared to the Roland and the Marshall for clean sounds. But don't sweat it, you can play anything with anything, enjoy the gear you have and play lots of music with it! Marshall are great amps.
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Back in the 70's and early 80's, I have done rock gigs with a 1963 SG into a Polytone Mini-Brute 1 (using an MXR Distortion plus pedal) and Jazz gigs with a 1968 ES-335 into a Marshall (4x12 cabinet with 100 watt head from the 60's). In retrospect, neither rig was perfect, but it was what I had at the time (and in those days of my youth, money was tight so I only had one amp and one or two guitars at a time) and I made it work.
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Two things also .
1] During the last 15 to 20 years Marshall has often added a clean channel to their Amps - depending upon Model...
2] However -even IF you have one of the Marshalls that does not have a lot of clean headroom for complex Jazzy Chords etc.
You can change the Ist preamp tube from an the existing tube to a 5751 or even a 12AU7 or 12AY7 in the very first tube after the input.
Leave Amp off / unplugged for awhile and still wear rubber gloves because the Amp capacitors can retain a charge ..
Or - have someone experienced do it for you- take no chances.
Basically you are lowering the Gain on the Marshall- but some don't require this- as others have said the Marshall might sound great for cleans already.
My pickups are farther away from the strings than most people - this also can help giving more note separation .
But you may not even have a problem - a Marshall Tube Amp might sound great already ....for Jazz anyway.
Want it cleaner ? - try those tubes in V1 - JJ [Brand ]versions are fine ...Last edited by Robertkoa; 02-17-2019 at 10:42 PM.
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Originally Posted by Alter
Try a Fender, and see how you like it compared to the Roland and the Marshall for clean sounds. But don't sweat it, you can play anything with anything, enjoy the gear you have and play lots of music with it! Marshall are great amps.
But why did Segovia always play " Voodoo Child " in Dminor instead of Eminor ?
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I dunno, No cutaway perhaps? Originally Posted by Robertkoa
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Is Jazz defined by tone? A Marshall won't sound like a Polytone and Vox won't sound like a Blackface. To me, it is the playing that makes all the difference. I really don't like the tones that Mike Stern typically uses, but he is playing jazz through and through. As long as the tone translates to us what you are hearing in your head is all that matters.
Last edited by SandChannel; 02-12-2019 at 10:39 AM.
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Bingo! Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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I have one and there isn’t a lot of headroom and there’s quite a bit of low-end. Don’t get me wrong, I love it, but I normally play through my Marshall 1974X (18 Watts), which has quite a bit more headroom. Originally Posted by patshep
IMHO, Marshall gets a bad rap when it comes to clean tone.
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That is a tee shirt just waiting to happen!
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Abercrombie used to
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It really depends on the specific Marshall amp; Marshall has a wide range. Some are very high-gain, others less so. Their lower-gain models tend to have beautiful, sparkling, clear clean tones. If you're after that muffly, cigarette-smoke, Kathleen Turner tone, Marshall probably is a poor choice. But otherwise, a Marshall can sing like an angel. That's especially true with single-coils. If you have hot humbuckers, you'll probably want to back off the volume at the guitar to avoid pushing the preamp into overdrive.
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I'm trying to use my most dearly beloved JTM45 for Jazz (an Ibanez AF95) But I have to turn all the tone controls to zero to get anything close to the sound I want. Yes, it's a closed back cabinet w/ 60 watt Creambacks. I have yet to try an open back with a Canibis Rex I have. Thinking about getting a Quilter...
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I am sure people will jump in, and if I am wrong correct me… Quilter amps are very fendish. A JTM45 is based off of a Fender Bassman. I can not remember how the JTM45 tone stack works, but there is something about turning it all the way down. Originally Posted by Sonnyblu62
I like a little hair on my tone so I would imagine my JTM45 (Bluesbreaker w/greenbacks) working for me.
It has been in storage and I have not used it since I became obsessed on Jazz… so?
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I was surprised... I thought I could just use it as normal and turn down the tone on my Ibanez. Anyway... I mention the Quilter just because I have seen so many playing archtops through them and have yet to see anyone using a JTM45. And... this JTM is sweet too... with my PRS DGT, Tele and Strat... Bass on 2-3, Mids 5-6, Highs 7-8 No presence. Normal...
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I would turn the treble and bass to zero, and the middle to ten. Then I would play, adjusting treble to taste, with just a dash of bass. The bass stops the top end sounding tinny. I would keep in mind that the Fender/Marshall/Vox tone stack has the middle at the end, so it changes the tones of the other two. Originally Posted by Sonnyblu62
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I can't believe this... I have a little Fender Champion 50XL for practice amp... I never cared for it much for a number of reasons. Well what do you know? It sounds very passable with the Ibanez AF95. As a matter of fact, I cannot really dial in a bad tone. lol Very good enough for at home. I did chose it over the BOSS Katana when I first bought it. Even though the BOSS comes with everything plus... I chose the Fender because of perceived tube like chime.
So I do have a second JTM45, a very glassy, hifi sounding Collins Custom Kensington... It's just the same as my Marshall.
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Agreed, my JTM 30 is my main practice amp. Originally Posted by backline
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I have that too! I have a telecaster with bardens (which are humbuckers, warmer than stock but still capable of achieving somewhat characteristic tele tones), and a marshall origin 50 combo. I also have a fender pro jr for practicing and for smaller situations without drums. Originally Posted by mississippi
I think what is important is to get a sound that you like. And to play music you like, using that sound.
While it may be true that Wes Montgomery or Charlie Christian or Jim Hall didn't use a Marshall.... all that is important is that you work on being the artist you want to be. There are no rules, unless you want to stay gainfully employed and your boss makes some rules.
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I recently had the opportunity to play a gig using a relatively new Marshall 40SL 40 watt combo amp (Is that the correct designation?). I was VERY impressed. I thought it would make a superb jazz amp. Great, crystalline, top end and nice, smooth, OD.
I would love to add one to my stable. My other amp is a Fender Tone Master Deluxe Reverb. It's an outstanding jazz amp in it's own right.
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