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I'm not ...er, ah, slender. Not even remotely so. Ha! I haven't found neck drop to be an issue but it could certainly be so for others, which is too bad, because I also really like these guitars.
Mine tend to balance parallel to the ground when I play standing, if I am not holding the guitar. When I use a wider strap with a suede back (I use a Lock-it leather strap), the guitar stays pretty much where I position it, because it is so light. I'll post a picture when I get back from NAMM.
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01-27-2014 12:57 PM
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I won't name names but once a friend of mine who has a big belly picked up my prs hollowbody and because of his belly and his build, it balanced perfectly whereas for me, it was a neck diver...
Originally Posted by Hammertone
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How about the Gibson ES-390 small hollow ES body w/ trapeze tailpiece, mini hums. Not sure how neck heavy, but looks like winner for you Jack!
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that looks cool but it's got to be neck heavy. The 336 is neck heavy and it's got a block in it.
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gotta recomend the hofner very thin classic. the one with the laminate spruce top and centre block. I AB'd against my (then) 16" solid top archtop,and the sound difference was negligible. subtle is the word to describe it. if you're playing amped in a variety of settings, you'd be hard pushed to tell. all thats personal of course. as is the balance issue. i found no problems with the balance, i'm pretty thin too...lol.
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I believe the Gibson ES-390 is suppose to be fully hollow a la ES-330 design Jack. Worth a look anyway!
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it's too neck heavy. Do you play standing? Originally Posted by whosgarethparry
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I've never felt my verythin standard was neck heavy...i assume you gauge that by if your fretting hand is supporting any weight of the guitar? Like when playing an SG?
I wonder if the standard stop bar tailpiece and maple on maple (vs. spruce) adds enough weight to the butt that I've never noticed it...or if the fact I'm built like an ex NFL linebacker with a knee problem who instead of continuing to work out just really likes hot wings?
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Yup. Originally Posted by jads57
http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Elec...is/ES-390.aspx
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don't you play sitting? If you play standing with a smooth strap and let go of the neck, the verythin will do a neck dive. The one i had was the archtop tailpiece version but from talking with other people, it was prevalent on both models though the maple body one was a little heavier and the problem may not have been as bad. Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
The real test for this is to put the instrument on a strap and support the strap over a broom handle. A balanced instrument will stay at whatever angle you put it at. The verythin will dive.
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Depends on the situation...i do a lot of seated play, but I've gigger the verythin with a wedding type band and stood as well.
The straps I like are simple levy ' s leather jobs, and are pretty rough underneath...
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the suede strap helps a lot but it usually ends up just pulling my shirt out. I'd rather the designers spend 5 minutes making sure their guitars are balanced.
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speaking of balance, new Godin Premiere models featured at NAMM, including figured maple top with HB, undersaddle and synth pickups...
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/...namm_2014.html
I wonder what the price will be--well under 2 grand hopefully!
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I think probably the "lighter is better" crowd out numbers the "balanced is better." Originally Posted by jzucker
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those are not new, they've been out for a while and have been up on ebay. So far, the reviews are mixed. I think most people like the comins more Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
speaking of balance, new Godin Premiere models featured at NAMM, including figured maple top with HB, undersaddle and synth pickups...
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/...namm_2014.html
I wonder what the price will be--well under 2 grand hopefully!
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If you are ok with P90s, then a used Gibson ES330 would be something to consider in that price range.
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My guitars with the best balance:
Ibanez As-200/1982/ - a little too heavy.
Frameworks modern clasic- very light.
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it's possible to design a light guitar that is perfectly balanced. The soloway guitars are 6.5lbs and balance perfectly. Manufacturers who make super light guitars that are neck heavy are just lazy and it shows that they don't even play because if they did they'd realize it's a dealbreaker.
Jeff Hale use to "balance" the Eastman El Reys he made by putting a counter-weight inside the body of the guitar.
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I've got a Hofner Verythin Classic that balances just fine. I can put it on, let go of the neck, and have it hang at a 45 degree angle. Maybe I got lucky with mine.
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is yours maple or spruce? Haven't tried a maple one but I would guess they're heavier. I've talked to 6 or 7 other guys about the spruce ones and they all had the same complaint.
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Spruce. I'll see if I can take a picture when I get home.
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put the guitar on its strap and hang it over a broom stick. that's the true test.
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The Godin Premiere model debuted last year at NAMM and there are 3 new versions this year--see article. The flamed maple top and the trio of pickups is new--and incredibly awesome-looking--as is a deluxe edition and a P90 edition. Originally Posted by jzucker
I have played the standard model a few times and love it--looking forward to getting one in the near future. I don't know about mixed reviews; every review I have read has been highly favorable. Re' how it compares to the Comins thinline style, having never seen a Comins in the flesh, I wouldn't know. They are not easily found in the Midwest, although I see LaVonne Music in the Twin Cities area apparently carries them, so maybe I'll check it out some time.
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You're probably right, but what matters to me is how it balances on my body. If it balances well on my body, I don't need to disprove it by balancing it on a broomstick. By the way, both you and I are more sturdy and good looking than any broomstick. Originally Posted by jzucker
Tangent: I wanted to let you know that your book, Sheets of Sound, is paying dividends. I've been working through the exercises for some time, but only recently have I been sweep picking without having to think about it. It feels great to things right automatically.
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haha, thanks for the compliments.
Regarding balance , i agree that balancing on the body is the most important but if you start out with an instrument that is imbalanced you may be able to counteract it by using things like suede straps or by holding the instrument at an extreme angle (like stowell) or perhaps the way your right arm leans on the guitar body or even the way you grip the neck but my expectation is that the instrument is perfectly balanced. Then, i'm free to approach my technique in whatever manner I choose.
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