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Hi guys,
I'm looking for some advice on a Gibson ES 335 Block reissue that I came across for sale in Ireland.
It was advertised as having a 'visible repaired crack' on the headstock.
The guy sent me a pic of the damage which is attached.
He is looking 2000 euro for the guitar which is $2582.
I'm just interested would people risk a buy like this?
I have never owned a 335 before and I heard that the pickups (burstbuckers I think) in this particular model aren't the best for jazz, and maybe the damage could be a problem further down the line, and is this even a reasonable price considering the damage?
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03-20-2013 11:24 AM
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I wouldn't.
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Doesn't look like a good quality repair
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I would never buy a Gibson with a repaired headstock for anywhere close to normal market value*. That 335 is way overpriced for its condition.
*Actually, I'd never buy one at all, but in reality they are usually just fine in practical terms unless the work was done badly.
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Headstock cracks can be repaired well and less well. If it is well done, the headstock is as strong as before. If not, then .... The problem is, you don't know the quality af the repair work. Personally, I would never buy a guitar with a repaired headstock crack. There are lots of unbroken guitars out there.
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What is the normal market value?
I should add that that price includes VAT.
So excluding VAT it's 1500 euro.
It caught my eye as I was looking abroad for guitars, guitars in Ireland are very very expensive compared to say Germany.
I should add also that this is a Gibson dealer.
But yeah the general consensus is that is what I thought myself.
It comes with 30 day money back guarantee so maybe it would be worth a look.
I'll see what else comes up.
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I also meant to say it was for sale in Germany in my OP, sorry.
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yeah... rule of thumbs that, for me, usually hold up well (YMMV)
Used Price is at least 1/3 off street price.
Guitars with headstock breaks 40% off fair used price.
example:
New guitar street price= 1000$
Same guitar used = 700$
Same guitar with broken headstock 420$
Some sellers hate to swallow that, damaged goods are still damaged goods. There are exceptions. but they are few and far between (and vintage).
Some guitars (60s Firebirds come to mind) often have broken headstocks. The repaired guitars are still pretty pricey but an unmolested model costs Uber $$$$
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practically speaking: used guitar w/broken headstock= 2000 .If cant be repaired are you able to invest 2000 more for a guitar that works. WHAT IF YOU HAVE TUNING PROBLEMS ,STRING BREAKAGE,LUTHIERS COST THAT CANT BE RETRIEVED. wHAT IF IT IS UNREPAIRABLE- WHY SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY ON A GUITAR YOU CANT EVEN TRY OUT BEFORE YOU BUY???? All this can be negated if you have a source for money where these things don,t matter.Even if all goes well and it gets fixed-What happens if the guitar doesn,t fit your style. I am trying to find some posatives?????????? If it has a broken neck why didn,t the owner just get it fixed????? Not much of a deal except for the seller!!!
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And with burstbuckers? ... for jazz? ... not even for 1000 euro. I mean, you can jazz with any pickup, but my preference for jazz on that guitar would be '57 classics. I'm betting he's been head banging with that guitar. My suggestion- offer him 500 euro, and you can both have a good laugh.
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NO WAY, NO HOW.
A headstock repair can be done so it is nearly invisible and very strong but the price still needs
to reflect the issue.
That one is too expensive and not a very nice looking repair.
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Cheers for the responses.
Pretty much sums up what I thought myself.
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The guitar has been repaired.
Originally Posted by richard vandyne
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from what I see in your pictures-if that is an example of being repaired,I wouldn,t want that person working on my guitar
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As mentioned.. there are good repairs and bad repairs (and the difference is more than cosmetic)
That said, if it is a good repair and you REALLY love the guitar and can beat the selling about it being damaged goods you can get a deal. If you REALLY love the guitar and you don't beat them down about the repair and you fall out of love you are going to take a bigger hit (buying used I never take a hit when I resell.. usually make a little actually).
Even bad repairs can usually be corrected. But you have to put the time and money into it and sometimes the rerepair is solid but not pretty.
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Invariably you will eventually want to flip the guitar, move onto something else. YOU'LL be stuck with a guitar with a repaired headstock. PASS on this one, the price is not that great and there are a LOT of really awesome 335 type guitars out there. Have a look at some mid 80s Ibanez AS200s... Bling, high quality workmanship, nice woods, great Super 58 pickups and easy to resell. Always a buyer for an AS200... Check out my '89 AS200nt...
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Well my thinking originally was that I played a 335 and fell in love with it.
But finances aren't the best so I found this one for slightly cheaper.
The store it's in are Gibson dealers so it comes with 30 day money back guarantee and 3 year warranty.
That makes me wonder that if the repair is a bad one and it gives me hassle, am I entitled to return it to Gibson for an adequate repair under warranty?
It's down as B stock and not second hand which makes me wonder was it damaged in the store or in shipping to the store from Gibson.
As it stands I feel as though I'm just going to be patient and get one undamaged, unless they give me a decent price.
Worse case scenario is I get the guitar, find it has issues and return it and get my money back.
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Looks beautiful.
That's sound advice, well definitely check them out, thanks.
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A guitar with a broken hadstock is NOT B stock. It's a damaged guitar, period. B stock is goods in new condition returned from customers for reasons not related to the goods. Like I said, I'd stay clear of this. There are plenty of good 335s out there. Originally Posted by acidskiffle
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There are plenty of "like new" 335's out there to spend that much on a repaired one. Hell, at $2500, why not just buy a brand new one?
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Yeah, I have the same feeling about buying a grade B Gibson as I do about eating USDA grade B meat....
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My answer is NO in all counts. Originally Posted by acidskiffle
HTH,
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