difference between gibson super V and gibson legrande

[gianluca]

does anybody knows the difference between gibson super V and gibson legrande?is it the same guitar with a different name?

[gcb]

The Gibson S V basically is a super 400 neck in an L5 body with a different tailpiece, the one that can be regulated individually in tension for each string.

The Le Grand is a custom model. There is one now for sale at Mandolin Brothers so you can check detailed specs and pics at Mandolin Brothers, Ltd.

[gcb]

Here is a Super V played by argentine jazz player Walter Malosetti

[gcb]

Here is a Super V played by argentine jazz player Walter Malosetti

[gcb]

Sorry I posted the same message twice.

[gcb]

Here´s the Super V in action again with same player an his son at bass guitar

[floatingpickup]

The Gibson S V basically is a super 400 neck in an L5 body with a different tailpiece, the one that can be regulated individually in tension for each string.

The Le Grand is a custom model. There is one now for sale at Mandolin Brothers so you can check detailed specs and pics at Mandolin Brothers, Ltd.

I would add that Super V's are typically CES guitars (two built in pickups) although I think I have heard of a few acoustic/floating pickup super V's. The LeGrande is an acoustic archtop with a floating pickup - basically a modern vesrion of the Johnny Smith, except it has a 25.5" scale and a 1 11/16" nut.
Keith

[gcb]

Another orange Le Grand: Gibson (used, 1993) LeGrand acoustic archtop - Mandolin Brothers, Ltd.

[hot ford coupe]

Those last two guitars are not my favorite color.

[gianluca]

I'm looking for a floating pu.
I've seen bireli lagrene playng a super V in a guitar duet and his guitar had the floating pu.
Now I'm trading with a guy who is selling a legrande, a guitar I never noticed before: it has the floating as well: it looks like identical to the super V w/floating pu.
only difference:the tune-o-matic on the legrande where the super V has a wooden bridge and the tailpiece that is identical but reveresed.
It looks that dimensions, woods and shape areidentical; even the headstock...

so, why a different name?

[riovine]

Another difference you can see on the Super V vs the LeGrande is the finger tailpiece tines are opposite between the two guitars.

[Archtop Guy]

There is a guitar called the Heritage Johnny Smith. It's a floater with 25"scale,1 3/4"nut,and tunable tailpiece. Still available at $2500.

[gianluca]

Why a different name? The Le Grand started out as a Gibson Johnny Smith. When Johnny Smith decided not to lend his name to the guitar, it was renamed the Le Grand with a longer scale length and standard nut width but the 3" rim depth remained.

The Super V was a creation of Bruce J. Bolen in the mid-70s to stimulate Gibson archtop sales. The Super V is based on the Gibson L-5CES. Gibson grafted the neck and appointments of the Super 400 on it.

There was a production run of Super V with the floating BJB pickup in 1979 from 1983. 1979 Gibson Super V . This one is based on the L-5C.

So, Gibson L-5C begat Gibson Johnny Smith which begat Gibson Le Grand. Gibson L-5C begat Gibson L-5CES which begat Gibson Super V. Gibson L-5C begat Gibson Super V with BJB pup.

The Tune-o-matic saddle is interchangeable with a wooden saddle. It is one of player preference.

thank you.
so, if I have well understood, the differences between SuperV w/floating pup and LeGrande are:
opposite tailpiece;
3" 3/8 vs 3" width;
TOM vs wooden bridge;

both are:
17" wide
25,5" scale
hand carved top back and sides
parallel braced
BJB pup

am I right?

I ask you this because I love the super V BJB tone but I found an used legrande and I'M WONDERING IF THEIR TONE COULB BE equal.

[gianluca]

this is my favourite super V tone.

does anybody know some good legrande youtube video?

[Philco]

This picture is just so beautiful.

[David B]

All I can add is that Peter Mazza plays a beautiful Super V and sounds fantastic on it. I want it!