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Played for the 5th time with other people the other day. This was the first time with the new amp, 100w and 2 10" speakers, so it's plenty loud. I let another guy plug in and went about 20 feet back, and when that guy hit a chord, it seemed way loud to us both. But when I'm in front of my amp I can't hear myself. It's better if I can get a few feet away from the amp but that isn't always possible.
What's the deal?
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11-21-2012 04:53 PM
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you should elevate your amp!
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have you already tried to put your amp on a chair?
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probably EQ....what's the rest of the lineup in the group?
is the amp on the floor? whats the room you played in like?
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You might need more mids, find your mix spot. I like to tilt the amp (the AER tilt is a great solution), elevating makes it loose to much bass.
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Tilt it back and get away from it. Close up it may be blowing past your knees while taking someone else's head off 20 ft away...
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...or lower your ears
Originally Posted by Scolohofo
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Very useful and efective for the stage and sounds pursuit at the home.
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volume each one.
At the home,check the speakers front real sounds for check the condition or comparison,adj,etc.
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Use the some wood plate(painted matted black) for small width amps.Last edited by kawa; 11-21-2012 at 09:01 PM.
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Are you using an open or closed back cabinet? Position you are using in relation to your amp can have an effect on what you hear, especially with a closed back cab.
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Oh my Lord!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL . . . . I got a good belly laugh outta that one. Thanks Jonathan . . I REALLY needed that!! Originally Posted by Jonathan0996
...or lower your ears
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Possible Solutions... :-)
1. A BIGGER amp
2. More pedals
3. Better PUPS
4. Pick harder
Then
5. Hearing aids :-)
6. A second amp
Seriously...
You say another guy plugged in "HIS?" guitar and it was plenty loud? If that's so, it sounds like you already have the solution... tell wifey you HAVE to get another guitar! Of course you could try troubleshooting your existing guitar.
BTW, amp on amp stand? OK. Amp on chair? Careful there, my friend lost a very nice amp after the bassist next to it helped it fall off said chair to concrete floor below.
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Any amp stand is better than the floor for combos :-) Get one. Originally Posted by D.G.
I use an "On Stage" RS7000 It holds my gazillion pound Super twin like the rock of Gibraltar.
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One of these: Atlas Stands | Custom Hardwood Guitar Amplifier Stands [Josh posts here frequently]
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Be glad you don't have 12" or 15" speaker the bigger the speaker the further you need to get away from to hear. i remember one pit-band gig I did the space I was in was so tight I put my amp on a tall stool so I could hear and reach my amp. The amount of bass you lose from uncoupling from the floor isn't that much and u can EQ to compensate.
Can try adding a small extension speaker positioned for you to hear.
Try some ear plugs sometimes they help by cutting down on the room sound.
But part of it is learning to hear yourself, how to focus and find yourself in the mix. Like doing background vocals and hearing yourself as part of the vocals.
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Bose Compact, you'll never have that problem again.
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But part of it is learning to hear yourself, how to focus and find yourself in the mix. Like doing background vocals and hearing yourself as part of the vocals.
What that guy said.
If I read your message right you've only played with others 5 times? If that's the case turning up, getting a bigger amp etc. or even putting the amp on a chair so you can hear better (and everyone else can hear better) might mean you don't get invited back for a 6th time.
"I can't hear myself" is a common complaint from players who haven't learned to hear the sound of their instrument through the mix of all the others.
If you turn up to where you can hear then you're going to unbalance the sound.
Think about Freddie Green playing unamplified in the middle of a big band! How did he hear himself?
He didn't really need to - not the way we're used to when we start playing. He knew what he was playing and was used to hearing it in the mix.
Please don't take my feedback as an insult - the intertube can be a blunt tool for discussions like this - not trying to offend.
ymmv
dave
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most players stand rather close to the amp.
stand quite a distance from the speaker and i think you be rather suprised how loud and clear your tone is.
like other people have stated, if it is close to you. angle it, and elevate it.
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For gigs i mostly set up my amp on my left slightly behind my chair and angle the amp 45 degrees that it plays across where i sit but not directly at me and i angle my seat that i sit not squarely facing the front but aim the neck or headstock at the speaker , that way i hear m own amp no prob oh and i angle the amp back too fender tube amps have built in stands that do a great job ,
so avoid sitting too close to the amp or with the speaker aimed away from you and tilt it ...
Btw my tube amp and my dynacord 80w ss amp are both open back design with 12' speakers...... Only my zt acoustic lb is closed back and personally i would take an open back cab any day of the week , and i do hear it better at gigs
so amp placement and yes as someone said " get your ears lower to ground" which i do by sitting and playing
so good advice
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Consider also how you are voicing your notes. If you are referring to comping, then for example your low-E notes are not going to be very audible given what the basist is doing...e.g. those "drop 3" chords will not be useful most of the time. I usually try to find the "open" register based on what the other players are doing, and then voice accordingly - of course you must also find the rhythmic space. Maybe it's just anticipating a bar change on the upbeat, or punctuating here and there.
On a gear note, the ZT Lunchbox really cuts through the mix and pretty much eliminates any chance of stepping on the bassist's toes.
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I have closed-backs and hear them perfectly on gigs, that's not the issue. It's probably related with amp placement or eq mix placement.
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Tilt the amp to point it at your head ....
(Trust me on this I'm a sound engineer)
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Plenty of good advice here already. But 100 watts and 2 10's is a lot of power/potential.
Is your guitar putting out enough signal? Pickup adjustment and EQ might be something you need to look at too. And then there's group dynamics. Are the other players just way too loud ? If U R playing rhythm guitar, you don't need to B that loud. I know players who think that their rhythm guitar parts are driving the band!!!! I tell them to turn the F--k down, or get off the stand! Seriously, group dynamics are important, but hard to manage.
You should barely hear UR self when playing rhythm, and then turn up loud for UR solo. That's kind of a general rule, but don't be too loud either.
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No point in repeating all the good advises given allready.
Just thinking if more people in your band are new or fairly new to playing in a band, you probably might be caught in the same trap as all of us have been caught in:
I can´t hear myself loud enough so I turn up the volume. Then the next guy does the same and then the next guy... you get the picture.
Another thing to be aware of, - we have all been there too:
Everybody in the band might be playing too much and all the time, which leads to a dogfight. There is only a certain amount of space in a given sound image (is that the right word?) Less is more is really true when playing in a group.Last edited by bluefonia; 11-24-2012 at 03:01 PM.
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I have been playing in band situations for forty-five years. Yeah, I'm old !!
I have seen cases where a guitarist says he is happy with his stage volume. He hears himself just fine. But, twenty feet from the front of the stage people are being tortured by his LOUD guitar.
Today's guitar amps are Too LOUD, TOO big, TOO heavy. I have become a Big fan of guitar stage amps, with wattage no more than 20-25 watts. If you ever need more,.... mic it through the P.A. system.
Most likely if you can't hear yourself on stage, It is because of atleast (one) or more, self serving, inconsiderate S.O.B. that is too LOUD and they are sharing the stage with you, driving up everyone's volume.(sometimes this individual might just lack band experience)
GOOD MUSIC DOES NOT NEED TO BE OVERLY LOUD. Don't put your audience in pain. If they have to scream at each other to converse......The Band is TOO LOUD !!! Less is always more, with music !!!!!!!!!
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