Atlas Amp Stands

**garryrenfro** · 05-11-2011, 09:32 PM

A local company is manufacturing these amp stands. Check 'em out.

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Atlas Stands

**Klatu** · 05-11-2011, 10:07 PM

They look nice, but they don't look like such good investments starting ay $450.

**caravan** · 05-11-2011, 10:17 PM

It holds a rack mount device too. Hey, do you hear a train whistle?

**jzucker** · 05-12-2011, 09:28 AM

why do you want an amp stand? You do realize that part of the amp's bass response (particularly with an open back design) is the coupling you get by having it on the floor. When you raise it up, you are changing the efficiency and freq response of the speakers.

**mr. beaumont** · 05-12-2011, 09:30 AM

Is that solid wood? That stand would weigh more than my amp!

**JensL** · 05-12-2011, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by jzucker

why do you want an amp stand? You do realize that part of the amp's bass response (particularly with an open back design) is the coupling you get by having it on the floor. When you raise it up, you are changing the efficiency and freq response of the speakers.

That is true but not always the case. Easy to test though: put the amp on a chair. My AER sounds terrible when it does not have contact with the ground, but for other amps it is less important, my Polytone and a marshall I had did not use this.

450 dollars sound a bit insane though, there are a lot of cheaper options.

Jens

**taxman** · 05-12-2011, 11:59 AM

I think the angle is all wrong also. It doesn't just raise the amp off the ground, it aims it at the ceiling.

**jzucker** · 05-12-2011, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by JensL

That is true but not always the case. Easy to test though: put the amp on a chair. My AER sounds terrible when it does not have contact with the ground, but for other amps it is less important, my Polytone and a marshall I had did not use this.

450 dollars sound a bit insane though, there are a lot of cheaper options.

Jens

that's because the AER is closed back. On an open back cabinet the floor is *ALWAYS* part of the baffle. That's why speaker designers call an open back cab an "infinite" baffle. On a closed back cab it doesn't make as much difference but you can still her it usually.

**JensL** · 05-12-2011, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

that's because the AER is closed back. On an open back cabinet the floor is *ALWAYS* part of the baffle. That's why speaker designers call an open back cab an "infinite" baffle. On a closed back cab it doesn't make as much difference but you can still her it usually.

I said the AER amp sounds different when lifting it, even if it is closed back. It is very much a part of the lightweight design that it is in contact with the ground. Probably how they get away with such a small speaker for a relatively powerful amp.

The Marshall was open back and it did not make much difference with that.

I was not disagreeing with you just elaborating a bit

Jens

**oldane** · 05-12-2011, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

why do you want an amp stand? You do realize that part of the amp's bass response (particularly with an open back design) is the coupling you get by having it on the floor. When you raise it up, you are changing the efficiency and freq response of the speakers.

That's the exact reason I have my old Evans amp on a stand (the one supplied by Evans 15 years ago - works much like this one, just made in metal). to my ear, amps on the floor - and not tilted back - tend to be too boomy and bass heavy. Whether that's desireble or not depends on which tone you are after - of course.

**jzucker** · 05-12-2011, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by oldane

That's the exact reason I have my old Evans amp on a stand (the one supplied by Evans 15 years ago - works much like this one, just made in metal). to my ear, amps on the floor - and not tilted back - tend to be too boomy and bass heavy. Whether that's desireble or not depends on which tone you are after - of course.

and it depends on the speaker choice & cabinet design. The new evans amps have a circular port in the back opposite the magnet. They are not as boomy IMO

**Tom Karol** · 05-12-2011, 07:22 PM

I have one of these - works well for me:
www.ampwedge.com

**joshatatlasstands** · 05-12-2011, 08:05 PM

Hi I am the designer, they are not super heavy, no more than a les paul anyway. they do have a shoulder strap if your hands are full.

Anyway, this is great feedback, thanks for all the responses.

Josh,
owner

**joshatatlasstands** · 05-12-2011, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by taxman

I think the angle is all wrong also. It doesn't just raise the amp off the ground, it aims it at the ceiling.

I designed it around what I encounter all too often, small confined spaces, small stages, and small venues. The angle is 126 degrees and at only 12 inches of lift it works great for me within a ten foot radius, I'm about 5'10" so... I can change the angle by roughly 5 degrees in either direction as well. I also have models that have not yet been seen that are less acute angles. This model works great for me and every other guitar player who has actually tested one out.

not the ceiling, the ears.

Thanks for your input, I'm grateful for the comments and I promise I take everything people say into consideration.

**kawa** · 05-12-2011, 10:14 PM

The amp stand is very important, Amp stand

Also Twin Reverb has tilt legs.

**mr. beaumont** · 05-12-2011, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by joshatatlasstands

Hi I am the designer, they are not super heavy, no more than a les paul anyway. they do have a shoulder strap if your hands are full.

Anyway, this is great feedback, thanks for all the responses.

Josh,
owner

So it does weigh more than my amp!

Josh, I'm just razzing ya a little...you can expect that on a jazz board like this one, the needs of the players are going to be a little different. We're often in environments where we're not using much stage volume, and we definitely want the bass response to be tight.

I think your product looks well built, and I think many guitar players will most definitely find a use for it. I thank you for joining up here to talk about your product, not feeling the need to get defensive because of some of our negative comments, and I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.

**joshatatlasstands** · 05-12-2011, 10:38 PM

no problem, and thanks for the kindness. I've just recently started like jazz a lot. Wes Montgomery turned me ear when I first heard his octaves.

thanks again, I'll take all the razzing I can get

Josh

**pingu** · 05-13-2011, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

that's because the AER is closed back. On an open back cabinet the floor is *ALWAYS* part of the baffle. That's why speaker designers call an open back cab an "infinite" baffle. On a closed back cab it doesn't make as much difference but you can still her it usually.

On a point of terminology
It is the closed Box cabinat design that is refered to as "infinite baffle"

The increased bass response heard when a speaker is on the deck
is called "bass coupling" (ooo eer misses)

Controling the amount of bass coupling is regarded as very important
in some circles
eg the spikes on cellos and basses and the spikes on the
bottom of Hi Fi speaker stands ...........

**joshatatlasstands** · 05-13-2011, 07:38 PM

Of course! none taken, this is awesome stuff that I really do need and want to hear. I've been getting both ends of the spectrum today regarding feedback:

A local shop in downtown Jonesborough, TN. handles art glass, pottery and woodworking. They also host a regional band that plays music one the square every Friday night. I do consignment with them and they get free access to the stands to allow all the musicians to use as they roll through the venues. The Band tonight had a guitar player that put his boutique amp on one and I am told by the store owner that he said, "man! it was made for it."

I truly like my amp enough to put it on something really really special, I spent 20 years trying to find the sound that suited me perfect. Lots of people never do find the amp or guitar that they wear the best. The stuff that looks like it belongs in a gym that I have bought and used for a long long time just doesn't appeal to me in any way. I see my AC30 on one and it looks to me like a Ferrari on steel wheels.

Maybe it could could be said that my market is all over the place because these stands are more like furniture than something people would regularly want to gig with, But they could, and it would take all and more abuse than the metal ones do if someone did do gigs with them. I have yet to see one all beat up after years of hard knocks, I bet it would be sorta like and old guitar.

I'm also hearing that they are so outrageously priced that none will sell, which is evident above.

Hmmmm, so then I go to sites that I link to my site and I see Cello stands with 1/8th the wood and labor going on selling for $700-$1000.

these next two links are not cellos stands but they give the same idea:

Hand Made Music Stand by Geoffrey Warner Studio | CustomMade.com
Custom Curly Maple Guitar Stand by South Mountain Woodworks | CustomMade.com

This is so confusing.

Regarding cheap access things don't get cheaper than free, I'm giving 3 away for nothing more than a Facebook picture of your rig. ! per month. I'm asking for feedback, so no worries, no offenses will be taken by me. I'm not saying Im elephant skinned like the one in the room

but I don't get offended, I'm interested in what people have to say. This is all great to hear and I will try diligently to assimilate it and make decisions accordingly.

The light in the back idea is awesome. I already do LEDs so...

Anyway, much appreciated, keep it coming

Josh

**Patrick2** · 05-13-2011, 10:41 PM

Just a quick word about my own perception of the Atlas Stand. I went onto Josh's web site and looked carefully at the different models he is offering. Now, I want to preface what I'm about to say with admitting that the extent of my wood working skills and talents is limited to fully understanding how to remove a nail after I hit it into the wood crookedly. However, even with that being the case, it's easy to see that Josh is not asking an unfair price for these beautiful stands. They are very refined functional works of craftsmanship. I agree that there will be a limited market for them. Not everyone will want to spend $500 and more for an amp stand. Not everyone can afford to. However, I've seen $600 wooden guitar stands too.

Josh, in my not so humble opinion, I believe it might be a better and more functional product if the angle was not so great . . . adjustable might be even better yet. Let the guitarist decide if he wants to point his amp towards the ceiling . . . or just slightly above the floor. Also, I'm sure you've seen the Sound Enhancer. (I posted a link up to their web site here earlier in this thread). You might consider some sort of a horn/baffle to redirect the sound escaping the back of an open amp . . the way The Enhancer does. (I would first check to see if that concept and design is patented). I have an Enhancer with a Fender Pro Reverb sitting on it and the sound is truly "Enhanced". It's literally a night and day difference.

But, I think your stands are beautiful works and I wish you much success with them.

**joshatatlasstands** · 05-13-2011, 11:24 PM

Wow! Sorta caught me unexpected there!. Thank you so much for the support and kind comments! I try to do good work.

I have seen the enhancer on the net and it is patented. I have a patent pending myself on this but who knows. The cool thing is that we have a model that was an earlier prototype that had the back panel not up against the amp like the ones people can purchase on the site. The site is primarily for a standardized design, maybe I standardized the wrong model, I'll know soon enough right? but that can all be changed in due time if needed, it's only been 4 days since people could look and see... Anyway, what I wanted to say was that the back panels that were originally behind the amp early on in the design process were about 4.5" away from the amp and redirected the sound upward and downward really making a huge difference, unlike the metal stands that don't have panels at all. That one piece of wood makes a nice tube amp sound soooo sweeet. I'll probably have to do more of them. We have one in the spray booth with a different angle on it, not yet on the net. It will probably do better, and the cost is lower. I know a bit about the physics of sound, I had to to graduate. I can't say that these sound as good as the enhancer because I've never heard one, but these stands without a doubt change the sound of open backed amps for the better when the back panel is not up against the amp. Even an untrained ear can hear the difference. We demoed all of them with an eclectic group of people listening in, everyone was amazed, even me because it was the first time I'd really payed attention to the sound difference. You'd have to dig in the site to see what I'm talking about, very hard to explain. In fact, for two drawers nailed together, these frigging things are hard to figure out. i never knew two 90 degree angles could get so complex. Took me weeks to wrap my mind around it all at once, then i went and switched the legs around, that set me back another few weeks. lol

I made the back panel on the ones being discussed smaller and adjustable to facilitate cables and plugs that come out the backs of multiple styles of amps, small, large, tall, short, but when the back panel is not against the amp I have the opportunity to make it much taller to redirect the majority of the sound 90 degrees when it leaves the back of the amp. Then, the sound that goes under the amp comes out the front due to the angle. 126 degrees is pretty steep for most, its about 8-10 degrees more than the industry norm, but it's also what I like, so that's how it got that way. I was scratching my own itch sort of. I looked today at my rig and I can get about ten feet away before the dispersion is in question. I'll try to come up with an adjustable model soon. I personally use a stand that redirects my sound too, no better sound in the world.

Thanks again.
There is so much that goes into getting a good sound, and most amp stands don't have what it takes IMHO.

Sincerely,
Josh

Please disregard my bad spelling

**Greco** · 05-15-2011, 02:45 PM

Josh...Congratulations on a fine line of products.

Your stands exhibit wonderful creativity, attention to design, detail and fine craftsmanship.

Would you ever consider adding custom speaker cabs, head cabs, combo cabs, etc., to the products you offer?

All the best wishes for success with Atlas Stands.

Cheers

Dave

**joshatatlasstands** · 05-15-2011, 03:16 PM

Thank you Dave, sincerely, thank you.

Yes we are and have been working on multiple designs with angle adjustment abilities, also for facilitating half stacks with heads, custom cabs from matching wood types to match the stands, different heights, and clean power supply capabilities, not to mention the fan for cooling a screaming hot tube amp running on 4 ohms when it should be 8 or 16 ohms.

I started this venture full time in my garage almost a year ago. I quit a very very good corporate grind job with a great security net regarding health and illness to chase this dream, I have not made a cent since last august, I've spent every dime I have, and more, and we hope to go public with a full line of designs very soon, but most will be custom work, tweaked to fit the person who wants it...The stand being discussed is what we chose as a cookie cutter option for those who didn't want to make specific design choices. Consider them the consumer design and the custom work as professional one-of-a-kind designs. This is simply the "standard" that we will offer. Our "custom" stuff will be very different if someone desired. We will do it all if someone wants something specific and special and is willing to wait a few weeks. All of this info can be discussed on FB because I don't wanna get booted again like I did earlier. Lets not put me in a position to look like I am soliciting. I am not, simply clarifying the truth and sticking up for something I believe in.

I am so very grateful that the tone has changed from the 1st page.

Sincerely, I want and need feedback, I'm asking, begging, pleading you for feedback so that I can better serve you, so I must make sure you all have accurate info to give accurate feedback.

So, yes Dave, we have about 5 or 6 designs, this one and the one shown in maple are only two of them, and I'd be happy to share the others if someone wants to see them.

I wish and send the best to all of you, and thank you all for the support here.

josh