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now here i chime in since i saw super champ on the stage. i had roland cube and i was happy with that until i bought super champ xd...the difference is cube gives you good clean sound with some missing high ends whereas SCXD is working full tone. imo jazz voice is a bit muddy to my personal taste but clean, tweed, blackface wonderful. but if you like joe pass type of sound jazz serves good...its like a tank some people tend to replace the spekaer with 12" i dont think its necessary. i'll buy one blues junior tweed as well. both will be my amp destination. Tim Lerch plays with BJ and sounds fantastic, however we should remember this is related with wisdom, passion and dedication...which means your touch (the combination of those three) gives life to your strings..he plays with blues junior and i love it such a nice touch and sound! but i'm a bit bluesy as well..so again personal taste...
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12-22-2010 12:47 AM
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For many years I played a Silver faced DR. Other than weight, I was very happy. I sold it in the early 90s, for $200, oblivious to what I had. I replaced it with some Crate. I was very happy, played several small recital-type gigs with it. The audience cringed, applauded, and left, though no fault of the amp.
Then a couple of your ago I discovered AGF and TGP. I realized that I couldn't live without the high-end stuff-- particularly vital to my burgeoning career as a poor bedroom player rarely leaving the house.
My mind plays tricks on me. I know I hear the differences between the cheaper amps I've had and the current, more expensive ones. More $$ is better. Or, not. However, blindfolded A-B tests prove my ears are not so discriminating, and friends who can really play kill on the cheaper amps (and guitars). But, having said all that, I need to justify the expenditures. If I think, objectively, I can get away with the "lower" end amps and I could be just as happy. In my deluded state, I like to believe that my Lil' King or AI with a Raezer's Edge are worth the additional change for someone of my meager talents and lack of social interchanges with other musicians. I do like them, and when I have guests over, they sound awesome! So, I am happy.
Now guitars are a different ball game. I get it. I can hear and feel the difference between lower-end instruments and higher-end ones.
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one more thing about the tubes of SC XD. again whenever i read an article poeple say change the tubes...i did / waste of money in that respect...several times i tried both of them i'm not saying no difference hardly noticable its a shell in the ocean dont expect paradise because you already there...i bought JJ's upon advice however now i keep in stock when the others run out i'll change it...not an issue...the only thing with SC XD there 16 voices and the volume levels are different when you change from one another it can be very high or low... anyway very good amp imo...again for speaker replacement some people say wow big difference some say no difference...one day i decided to replace to see what happens then i gave up big work...12'' doesnt fit may be you can put diagonally facing upward/downward, cutting the pieces or buy another cabinet etc..hell of work imo...and i asked to myself are you carpenter or musician? play your songs! pay 250-300 plus another 150-200 for that...its not me leave it..anyway some people like it i cant criticise...good luck!
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This post made me smile because the words may well have come from my mouth and been just as true. Hobbyists, such as myself, often tend to get wrapped up in the latest/greatest/boutiquest (if that is a word
Originally Posted by msr13
) gear in search of more ummm, talent, I mean tone... tone, yeah tone! I have spent a lot of money over the past decades in quest of sounding like this guy or that album only to fall short and at no fault of the gear. If I had practiced half the amount of time that I read gear reviews I would likely be a better player. That stated, for me at least, playing with the gear is part of the enjoyment so I say grab the gear you want when you can afford it and see if it works for you. Have fun!
Cheers,
Steve
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I would reccomend a SF non-reverb princeton over all of them. You'll have to hunt, but I got mine for just a little over the price of a new BJ--and this is in Chicago, where there's no such thing as a bargain vintage amp! Originally Posted by Vintage
It'd be kind of a toss up with the Princeton Reverb/ PRRI / Blues Junior. I actually have a blues junior as well, which I might get rid of in the future as the NR princeton is pretty much all the tube amp I need...I feel like the PR has better tone than the BJ (or at least a tone I enjoy more) but I also feel like you can squeeze a little more clean volume out of a BJ...
I'll refrain from tearing apart the Superchamp XD too much because I know some folks here really like them, but I don't get 'em. Lots of useless bells and whistles, 1-2 usable tones for jazz at best, and they're no where near what a Princeton or even a BJ can give you. YMMV.
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Alright. Originally Posted by telemust
About the voices/tone control, it's obvious they would be at different
volumes because of the gain. Turning the gain down should compensate.
Yeah, I'm not much of a carpenter. Thanks.
I agree. I also have spent quite a bit of time researching amps, Originally Posted by Steve Z
tubes, speakers.. I'm just going to save up.
Can't find a Priceton Non-reverb for under $1,000 on the internet. Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Well, I won't only be playing Jazz. I need a versatile amp for R&B,
hard rock, classic rock, blues, country, and everything in between, (Preferably tube), it has to be able to gig with drums without a mic, and for
under $300. The Blues Junior is bit over my budget, but is well worth it.
I have to get an amp soon unless I want to play my Vypyr or my teacher's Line 6 spider for the next 4-5 months. The Vypyr came with a horrible speaker. I don't even think it has a brand. Seriously, a generic speaker made in China.Last edited by Vintage; 12-22-2010 at 10:56 PM.
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Originally Posted by Vintage
wow...I got mine for half that six months ago. Are you looking at Silverface? Even that BF ones I spied were well under 1k...
If you're playing rock and stuff the BJ is a better amp. The non-verb princeton is just a clean machine.
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I think so.. Can you provide links for each? Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
wow...I got mine for half that six months ago. Are you looking at Silverface? Even that BF ones I spied were well under 1k...If you're playing rock and stuff the BJ is a better amp. The non-verb princeton is just a clean machine.
I'l probly wait to get the Blues Jr when I'm out of school.
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silverface
1969 FENDER PRINCETON TUBE AMP ALL ORIGINAL SUPER CLEAN - eBay (item 290504997078 end time Dec-26-10 11:11:35 PST)
blackface
Vintage Fender Blackface Princeton Amp 1964 MINT!!! - eBay (item 350422112963 end time Jan-10-11 11:37:17 PST)
That's expensive for the blackface, IMHO.
The SF models on ebay approaching 1k are all reverb models. Lots of folks like the reverb models for, yes, the reverb, but also for the way they break up at relatively low volumes for rock playing and such.
Being a weirdo jazzer, I much prefer the "less cool" reverbless model!
Fender has used the "princeton" name on quite a few amps over the years. There are princeton chorus amps and even a princeton 112 (sometimes called a 65, nice and confusing considering the Princeton Reverb Reissue (which is a very nice tube amp)is a "1965" model) but the chorus and the 112 amps are not tube amps, and sounds nothing like a "real" princeton (actually, they're not bad amps though)
I still think if you're wanting a more versatile amp, the BJ is a better choice for you. (or a princeton reverb, but they'll all be far above your price range where a BJ will go for 300-400 bucks used)
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setting price aside and focusing on sound for a second:
anybody tried one of the current Fender hand-wired Twins in tweed? should be good.
how about a Mesa Boogie Lone Star? some say just as good or better, even if not hand wired.
would welcome an opinion from someone who has actual experience with both or either.
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Those are nice. Are the speed and intensity knobs for reverb? Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
I'm a fan of reverb, BUT every digital amp I've played can not simulate
real reverb. With the vypyr, even the slight delay has the amp copying
what you play about 1 second after you play it. It's that stupid tap tempo
button that I can't get rid of..you CAN'T turn it off. Honestly, made me want
to throw the amp off the second floor of my house...
I read about the Princeton chorus, wouldn't like as much as the SCXD.
Yes, the Blues Jr. is great for the money, but I don't have $300. I'm
already paying off a MIM strat, so I have to sell all my gear in order to
get a new amp. The SC seems like the best amp for the money. Can't
find any good tube amps for the same price, most of them are hybrids
that are only half tube. The SCXD has power and preamp tubes.
The other day when I talked to a boutique amp maker/ shop owner,
he said save up and get something like the Blues Jr. After looking around,
the Blues Jr seems perfect for me, but there's no way I could get the
money..
After school, I could work at McDonalds for a few weeks to get some
good gear. maybe a drum set, too..
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speed and intensity are for tremelo. The princetons I linked you to are sans reverb.
Can you hold out till you can swing a used Blues Junior? I just don't want to see you end up with something that you outgrow quickly that won't get you much when you sell it...
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Ah. Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
True.. Found one for $289, used.
There's 3 Blues Jrs, though.
Fender Hot Rod Series Blues Jr. NOS
Fender Hot Rod Series Blues Junior III
Fender Blues Junior Tweed Relic
The 2nd one is more than likely the one you're talking about.
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I think the tweed lookin' ones (the NOS and the "relic") have a speaker in them that's a little more inefficient, meaning they'll break up a little earlier. Ideally, for you, you just want a standard BJ if clean tone is a premium.
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