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  1. #26

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyBoden
    My 1959 Hofner committee laminated one piece back.

    Vintage Hofners have very good laminates and veneers. (IMHO)
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    Good quality is a subjective term here.
    You’re not wrong but let me elaborate and then you can decide.

    1) Is the veneer figured? Yes
    2) How figured? Very
    3) What type of figure? Birdseye maple
    3.5) is the figuring even and dense with nice grain patterns?
    4) Is bird's eye maple harder to find (yes/no)
    5) Does it cost more to buy?
    6) How thick is it?
    7) Do they use it internally and externally?
    8) How many layers do they use in their veneer stack?
    9) What do they use as “filler”.

    The answer to all those questions determines whether the laminate plate and veneer is of good quality. If that birds eye maple is 0.5mm thick, it looks good and gives a perception of quality and indeed is “better” quality over plain veneer, but if your car has metallic finish in a hard to produce colour, but it chips easily because it’s so thin, do you perceive that as good quality? I’m not saying there is a right answer.

    Think of paper thin figured veneer like a decorative layer on chip board. It makes the chip board look like a nice panel but serves no other purpose. But given it’s nice and preferable to look at, we use it. But it is like wrapping paper and many look at the figured surface and perceive quality, so people will pay more for a guitar that has it, although it serves no function other than that. It’s basically marketing.

    Gibson are almost the only company that doesn't see it this way. Their figured veneer is a core part of the laminates 3 ply, 2 of which are highly figured veneer totalling 3mm. They are not just for decoration.

    I’d be interested to see the veneer stack used to make that hofner plate but you’re right, it looks great and I like the detailing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archie
    Good quality is a subjective term here.
    You’re not wrong but let me elaborate and then you can decide.

    1) Is the veneer figured? Yes
    2) How figured? Very
    3) What type of figure? Birdseye maple
    4) Is bird's eye maple harder to find (yes/no)
    5) Does it cost more to buy?
    6) How thick is it?
    7) Do they use it internally and externally?
    8) How many layers do they use in their veneer stack?
    9) What do they use as “filler”.

    The answer to all those questions determines whether the laminate plate and veneer is of good quality.

    Think of paper thin figured veneer like a decorative layer on chip board. It makes the chip board look like a nice panel but serves no other purpose. But given it’s nice and preferable to look at, we use it. But it is like wrapping paper and many look at the figured surface and perceive quality, so people will pay more for a guitar that has it, although it serves no function other than that. It’s basically marketing.

    Gibson are almost the only company that doesn't see it this way. Their figured veneer is a core part of the laminates 3 ply, 2 of which are highly figured veneer totalling 3mm. They are not just for decoration.

    I’d be interested to see the veneer stack used to make that hofner plate.
    Excellent deductions many thanks.

    Obviously, I know nothing about the details of the Hofner "veneer stack". But, the Hofner Committee was a very bling and expensive guitar in the 1950's.

  4. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyBoden
    Excellent deductions many thanks.

    Obviously, I know nothing about the details of the Hofner "veneer stack". But, the Hofner Committee was a very bling and expensive guitar in the 1950's.
    The germans typically have good access to high quality woods and veneers. Hofner clearly went through some effort to make theirs appear attractive and of high quality.

  5. #29

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyBoden
    My 1959 Hofner committee laminated one piece back.

    Vintage Hofners have very good laminates and veneers. (IMHO)
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    I can't stop slobbering over this bezutiful birdseye maple back. I regret not buying a birdseye maple allover Gibson ES5N Switchmaster. It was listed on ebay asking for $4600. I bought an ordinary flamed maple 2002 ES5N Switchmaster and paid Dave's Guitars $3800 for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
    I can't stop slobbering over this bezutiful birdseye maple back. I regret not buying a birdseye maple allover Gibson ES5N Switchmaster. It was listed on ebay asking for $4600. I bought an ordinary flamed maple 2002 ES5N Switchmaster and paid Dave's Guitars $3800 for it.
    The front of the Hofner Committee looks great too.
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    I'm the current custodian of the 1959 Hofner Committee guitar, that is displayed on the UK Vintage Hofner web site.
    UK vintage Hofner web site: 1959 Hofner Committee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
    I can't stop slobbering over this bezutiful birdseye maple back. I regret not buying a birdseye maple allover Gibson ES5N Switchmaster. It was listed on ebay asking for $4600. I bought an ordinary flamed maple 2002 ES5N Switchmaster and paid Dave's Guitars $3800 for it.

    Oooh. Yes that would keep me up at night for at least 25 years.

    May you find peace knowing the prettiest guitars are usually the worst sounding.

    (Guy I’m trying to cheer him up so go with it, I’m sure that Hof is a banger)

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    Sweet guitar! Congratulations. May it bring you great joy!

  9. #33

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    If you want to stay on the right side of RB, don't mention RS.

  10. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgcim
    If you want to stay on the right side of RB, don't mention RS.
    Who is RS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
    Who is RS?
    I suspect it rhymes with Dodger Dadowsky

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    Quote Originally Posted by john a.
    i suspect it rhymes with dodger dadowsky
    lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgcim
    If you want to stay on the right side of RB, don't mention RS.
    What’s the beef?

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    Maybe it’s about R&D?