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Just bought another Gibson, a 335 with the latest "calibrated T-top" p/ups. Checked under the hood, and yes, they are labelled and actually numbered and dated - July of '23.
The tones are lovely, it's why I bought a Gibson this time. Neck pickup is great, so is the bridge p/up, though I rotated it so the poles are further away from the bridge. Also substituted a Faber TOM bridge.
But, as with other Gibsons I've owned, the tone of the wound strings - when both p/ups are on - goes dull! The plain (3) strings are fab, but the wound strings - meh. Why?
So I raised the pole pieces for the wound strings, much higher than for the plain strings, and that helps. Also, turning down the volume of the neck p/up brings out some clarity, when both p/ups are on.
I just want to know, why this happens, any solutions, do other folks have the same experience?
FYI, I have already adjusted pole pieces and P/up heights, to the best my ears have heard. Thanks for any insight.
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12-29-2024 06:32 PM
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Could the pickups be out of phase?
Have you tried a new set of your favorite strings?
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P/ups are not out of phase but thanks for your input.
Guess I'll have to ask AI
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But you said you turned the bridge pickup around. Wouldn't that affect the magnetic polarity and/or phase?
Originally Posted by Jimmy Mack
P/ups are not out of phase but thanks for your input.
Guess I'll have to ask AI
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The magnet has to be flipped N to S in relation to the windings in one pickup to achieve an out of phase setup. Flipping the pickup around doesn’t do that. Originally Posted by dconeill
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When both pickups are on, they see more resistance and/or capacitance IIRC. That loses more high end.
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My experience with every guitar I've ever owned is the opposite. Middle position on a 2-pickup guitar is bright, maybe the brightest... now: that may be because low end is attenuated making it seem more bright, ditto the mids. But the treble appears to remain intact. On my teles, on my Gretsch, on my PRS. Originally Posted by Cunamara
To the OP:
It has always been my experience that the EQ of a humbucker (a Gibson PAF-type humbucker, altho others like Filtertrons are also included, this to a lesser degree), always "dull" the wound strings. You're not going to get piano-like highs and clarity out of wound strings with a PAF. It's not just a simple EQ thing. This is precisely why I prefer single coil neck pickups to humbuckers.
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Players coming from the school of Fender typically have to recalibrate their ears when playing a Gibson guitar with humbuckers. (Fans of Twang call 'em "mud buckers", you know). While you're at it, this is a good opportunity to adjust your amp. But remember that the very purpose of a humbucker is noise cancelling. If you like noise, then humbuckers may not be for you. Good luck.
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I don't know if this is the right place, but...
Why the hell here is a thread after thread about people acquiring (new) ES-335s and being happy just when I have spent about half of the year trying to think myself from buying one?!?
In summer I played one of those new ones in a local store and fell in love with the cherry color. Easy to play.
But I have all the guitars I need and use. And I have the rule "one-in-one-out", so I would have to give up either one of my two jazz guitars (a ES-175 with humbuckers and a ES-175 with P90s) or one of my rock guitars (a CS LP with humbuckers and a CS LP with P90s).
I guess that I would not put wound strings in it so the it would be the LP R8 with humbuckers. But why the hell would I sell the model that I have loved since I bought my first Les Paul in 1991?
So why do I see ES-335 threads all the time? Is there some sudden ES-335 fashion wave going on? Or is it because I have this temptation?
Or is the problem in my eagerness of reading all the ES-335 threads...? Hmm!
Oh, sorry the derail, please go on.
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Easy, sell the rock guitars and buy a 335 and an archtop! Originally Posted by Herbie
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If You ask from jazz guitar forum, You’ll get a jazz guitar forum answer! Originally Posted by stuartccowie
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Sorry about the crude text graphic. Originally Posted by ThatRhythmMan
Here's the stock configuration of two humbucking pickups. 1 = "first" coil neck pickup, 2 = second coil neck pickkup, 3 = third (bridge pickup), 4 = fourth (bridge pickup)
111111
N........S
222222
333333
N........S
444444
Then if we flip the bridge pickup around
111111
N........S
222222
444444
S........N
333333
So this doesn't cause the bridge pickup to be out-of-phase with the neck pickup? Why not?
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I’ll let Lindy Fralin explain. Originally Posted by dconeill
How to Reverse Pickup Phase - An Easy Guide | Fralin Pickups
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Simply put, it’s the relationship between the magnetic poles and the coil that determines electrical phase. Turning the pickup around doesn’t change the physical relationship between magnet and coil. You either have to reverse the magnet’s orientation by turning it end for end or reverse the output leads if it’s wired to do so. Originally Posted by dconeill
Humbuckers with two output leads plus a ground wire can be wired “backwards” to reverse polarity. If a humbucker only has a hot wire and a ground, flipping the magnet inside it is the only way to reverse its polarity.
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