Why ask forum members, when you can ask AI?

**palindrome** · 12-30-2024, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Maroonblazer

The debate around AI seems very polarized, with "AGI is just around the corner!" (seems unlikely) to "All these AI tools hallucinate and are generating useless crap" (not true).

My tentative conclusion here has been that too many different questions would need to be disentangled for a useful discussion to get started. Just a few examples, from my point of view:

(1) An application domain like diagnostic pattern recognition in medical imaging is hard to argue with. No reasonable person would do that.

(BUT you also need to deal with "automation complacency" - a psychological phenomenon with fatal consequences to which, however, we are all susceptible.)

(2) Also, as I have said already, it appears totally plausible to me that reasonable interaction with LLMs should be capable of producing good results.

(BUT the same can be said of social media. Remember overly optimistic discussions about Twitter like 15 years ago? Increasingly widespread use is not necessarily increasingly reasonable use.)

(3) Yes, you can conjure up some impressive images by generative AI in no time at all, which, no doubt, has useful applications.

(BUT the weekly takes on Homo habilis or neanderthalensis in Youtube videos make me sick; also the ghastly hyperrealistic garbage on history channels.)

etc. etc.

**Christian Miller** · 12-30-2024, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Maroonblazer

The debate around AI seems very polarized, with "AGI is just around the corner!" (seems unlikely) to "All these AI tools hallucinate and are generating useless crap" (not true).

It’s refreshing that as far as I can see no one on this thread takes either of these positions.

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**Litterick** · 12-30-2024, 02:30 PM

This thread started with the best of intentions, looking at recommendations for guitars created by ChatGPT in English, but was diverted into an argument about coding, which is another matter entirely. An application's ability to debug software says nothing about its usefulness for creating information in a natural language.

**Flat** · 01-01-2025, 08:43 PM

I'll be OK with LLM AI as long as it can finally solve the Y2K crisis.

**JGinNJ** · 01-01-2025, 09:53 PM

To answer the question, why ask a forum member- because we're all fellow jazz guitarists seeking to communicate with and relate to other human beings, even if only virtually?
Because we're creative artists sharing our uniquely gathered insights?

I just finished reading "Feeding the Machine", written by Oxford researchers. They profile people and situations in the unseen underbelly that's building out AI. It's not pretty- from data annotators in Africa, Amazon workers, on up the chain to data centers, machine learning engineers, investors.

My fear is big corporations which run the economy and systems in our (developed) world will force us to use AI whether it works or not. It's already happening in a lot of ways.

**paldubee777** · 01-02-2025, 09:26 AM

Why ask a person? So the person can answer from their experience, and by sharing they can grow in knowledge as well. You also give the person the privilege of experiencing helping someone else.

I look at AI art and music and writing this way as well. Music and art and writing are about a person creating something and experiencing the creation process. Using AI takes out the person experiencing the creation in the moment and is about the end product.

I’m not against using AI as a tool, but let’s not just focus on the answer or the end product, but that we as humans can experience the process of creation and collaboration together.

Enjoy the process!

Paul

**palindrome** · 01-02-2025, 11:02 AM

I apologize for disrupting the current stream of consciousness, but apparently I am unable to paste links. "Page 5, second item" referred to this document:

https://aiimpacts.org/wp-content/upl...ture_of_AI.pdf

Originally Posted by palindrome

One example, just because I cannot resist:

Here we have "Thousands of AI Authors on the Future of AI":

https://aiimpacts.org/wp-content/upl...2022ESPAIV.pdf

List on Page 5, second item: "Translate text in newfound language"

Heck, what does this even MEAN? Of course I found out (and remain doubtful), but shouldn't "thousands of AI authors" with all their intellectual capacities, whether natural or artificial, have managed to come up with a meaningful sentence at this prominent position in the paper?

See?

**djg** · 01-04-2025, 09:32 AM

both o1 and claude failed miserably trying to understand this game i invented:

albert ayler, bunny berigan, charlie christian, dorothy donegan, eliane elias, frank foster, grant green, hampton hawes. continue that list

**RJVB** · 01-04-2025, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by djg

both o1 and claude failed miserably trying to understand this game i invented:

Any chance that's because Dorothy is in the list?

**djg** · 01-04-2025, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by RJVB

Any chance that's because Dorothy is in the list?

huh?

**RJVB** · 01-04-2025, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by djg

huh?

She seems a bit the odd person at least as far as I know the other names.

**djg** · 01-04-2025, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by RJVB

She seems a bit the odd person at least as far as I know the other names.

i see. Dorothy Donegan - Wikipedia

**RJVB** · 01-04-2025, 10:16 AM

I know who she is. I have a recording of a performance of hers at Nick Vollenbrecht's jazz café in the late 80s or early 90s. A fun, swinging, uptempo series of boogie'ish medleys with some Gershwin thrown in, that she'd probably not improvised for quite some time already (including some jokes I've heard her crack on other recordings on YT).

**djg** · 01-04-2025, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by RJVB

I know who she is. I have a recording of a performance of hers at Nick Vollenbrecht's jazz café in the late 80s or early 90s. A fun, swinging, uptempo series of boogie'ish medleys with some Gershwin thrown in, that she'd probably not improvised for quite some time already (including some jokes I've heard her crack on other recordings on YT).

any suggestions how to continue the row? no google allowed

**RJVB** · 01-04-2025, 10:34 AM

Right, I hadn't even tried TBH, only looked at who was on the list, not the names themselves

And even if it doesn't have to be jazz musicians I'm coming up short with the next entry (but I can suggest one for the one after that).

**djg** · 01-04-2025, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by RJVB

Right, I hadn't even tried TBH, only looked at who was on the list, not the names themselves

And even if it doesn't have to be jazz musicians I'm coming up short with the next entry (but I can suggest one for the one after that).

i got ike isaacs, j j johnson (extra point) kurt knufke, lage lund, marcus miller and rn am drawing a blank for NN.

**RJVB** · 01-04-2025, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by djg

i got ike isaacs, j j johnson (extra point) kurt knufke, lage lund, marcus miller and rn am drawing a blank for NN.

Ah, I actually could have found Ike Isaacs, and I had a Justin Johnson too. Didn't try to go beyond that.

**grahambop** · 01-04-2025, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by djg

i got ike isaacs, j j johnson (extra point) kurt knufke, lage lund, marcus miller and rn am drawing a blank for NN.

All I can think of at the moment is a percussionist called Nippy Noya(!), I think he’s played with some jazz/fusion people, I have him on a record somewhere.