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That is interesting the back being off by 1/8th inch. I might be able to buy that but a 1/2 inch off is clearly a flaw. Does not effect the guitar or playing as such but clearly not cosmetically a good option. There are a few 4 pieces D'angelico backs per Wintermoon but I am assuming they are at least symmetrical. I would like to see a photo of the back if possible. I have 3 Heritage Guitars and they compete with any Gibson, however Heritage was not exempt from issue and QC. In the end best to evalute the guitar on it's own merit.
Jack would be curious how you find this guitar compared to some of your previous 175 and the Kessel which you really love.
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10-21-2024 02:31 PM
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If that guitar sounds half as good as it looks, it sounds twice as good as anything I can imagine! Enjoy it in good health!
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Originally Posted by GuitarJay
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Can't wait to hear Jack's demo of his latest beauty.
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I have brought guitars I bought to the Heritage factory to ask about things I found, like some asymmetries or once some buffing compound on the f hole sides. I would generally get a respectful "does that really bother you?" That made me feel small the first time. Thereafter, at least with the buffing compound, I said it did. The response was for me to wait 5 minutes. They took care of it.
Another time a I brought a Sweet 16 in and asked how I would get a tone control added to the pickguard. Ren Wall looked at me and asked if I had $10. I did. He disappeared and came back in 10 minutes with it done.
My point is this: these are, or at least were, very practical people. If they could cut a billet that eliminated knots but required an off-center seam, that may have been respectful of resources in their eyes. I don't know. Some would have stamped a 2nd on it. But I don't think it changed the carving at all or the tone. Also, few people see the seam.
I would have put a 2nd on it just to indicate Heritage has snooty standards.
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You really brought a guitar back to the factory because of f hole buffing compound? Originally Posted by Marty Grass
I guess that was the week after you threw the rags out
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Really nice looking guitar. Congrats!
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I'm going to have to disagree about the no dots being classy. To me, it looks incomplete. I've never liked it. Also, due to a vision problem, i can't play a guitar without fingerboard inlays. I'm going to have to put dots in it. MOP rectangles would be $500ish so I won't go that direction. I'll probably have MOP or Abalone dots installed...
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I like the modern look of no inlay, but this guitar is kind of a neat in-between that it looks great as is but I can also picture it looking great with fretboard inlays.
I've also noticed, after playing a lot of nylon string the past few years, that I don't actually use fretboard inlay as a roadmap...but side dots? Oh boy do I need those.
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I can't see the side dots. Combination of astigmatism and playing in dim rooms, they just don't leap out at me and I play a lot vertically and not necessarily straight across the positions so for jumps, i subconsciously use the face dots or rectangles as reference points for big jumps. I wish I could use side dots. I have a bass with no face inlays and i'm having dots put in it. I'll be doing the same with this guitar. My only concern is whether dots will look bad on such a nice instrument. But i don't want to pay > $500 for rectangular inlays... Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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I had side dots added to my Classical because without them, I got lost. If I only played that guitar, I could adjust to no markers at all, but playing different guitars with different scale lengths, I need visual cues and cannot rely on muscle memory for my positioning.
My Classical and one of my Gypsy guitars have no inlays and I like that look just fine. My eyes are still good enough to rely on the side dots so long as there is enough light to see them. In a room with dim lighting, I really need fingerboard inlays, the bigger the better. On a guitar as nice as your Heritage Eagle, if the Rectangular, L-5 style inlays were $500 and just doing dots was $200, I think I would pay the difference. It would enhance the looks of the guitar and give me a bigger roadmap in those rooms where those of us over 65 are functionally blind.
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I’m a little late to the party, but congratulations Jack. I have a 2015 Eagle Classic that I will never sell.
Apparently I’m one of those wackos who likes the headstock and pickguard. Haha. I hope you enjoy the new guitar.
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When I studied classical guitar for a few years, I used Wite-Out to make some dots on the side of my classical neck.
Not really an elegant solution ... LOL
But I was a college student with a part-time minimum wage job at the time.
Although maybe it would be better than the masking tape I used on my upright bass.
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I did the same - Liquid Paper on the side of my classical guitar neck. It was on for years and never left a mark when I wiped it off when I sold the guitar!
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i don't mind the art deco pickguard but seems out of place on a classic instrument. I have an art deco pickguard on my metheny but it's more appropriate there. The real reason i'm swapping out the guard is that I like them to go up to the pickup , not be cutout around the rings. Limits where you can pick.... Originally Posted by Birddog
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i don't mind the art deco pickguard but seems out of place on a classic instrument. I have an art deco pickguard on my metheny but it's more appropriate there. The real reason i'm swapping out the guard is that I like them to go up to the pickup , not be cutout around the rings. Limits where you can pick.... Originally Posted by Birddog
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Dots will look just fine.
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I'm with you, Jack, I need some inlays for location. Maybe because I never had a classical, which don't have them! Originally Posted by jzucker
I would go for abalone dots, they look classy with a touch of bling!
EDIT: Wait, how about spelling J Zucker up the neck like those country guys used to do?
Well, maybe not...
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I need inlay and I would spring and get the block or something besides dots. I only like dots on a 335. Or try these cheap and reversable.
Jumbo Crown Blocks - Fret Markers Inlay Stickers for Guitars – Inlay Stickers Jockomo
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I bought this pack off ebay for $5. They work well on my classical so I dont get lost. They have stayed on after a couple fretboard oilings too. It washed out the abalone color, but they are still a bright pearl like look.
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I second full inlays. The thing is, when the original Heritage was making these they were ordered in all kinds of configurations. So with inlays you couldn’t really tell if they were original to the guitar or later installed. I’ve seen several Heritage Eagles with inlays.
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I'm another who needs fretboard inlays. I do love the look of an elegant bare board, and I ordered my first custom made guitar with a bare ebony board. I was OK with it both because I'd already been playing for decades when I got it and because it had nicely visible side markers on the neck binding. Everything was great, until.....
I was backing a great vocalist with a big following, and she wanted to do Nature Boy with only my guitar behind her. We were playing to a packed house in a great little club here called Grendel's Lair (now sadly gone), and the stage was as dark as pitch. But I was cool and confident. I was to come in after she sang the first four words, and I did - one fret too low. Fortunately, I caught it instantly and slid up to the correct chord fast enough to make it sound (at least to most people) like it was intentional. But it really threw me because I was afraid I'd do it again and screw up the tune.
I got through the night, but I ordered those adhesive dots the next day and have never again tried to play without some kind of fret markers. I've been working on playing without looking at the board for a few years now, but I still peek from time to time and I'm far from being comfortable playing with my eyes closed (which is one way I'm trying to get past this).
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How is the neck profile? More on the beefier or slim side? I've had my eye on these for a while but have not pulled the trigger because I'm not sure of the neck. My GB10 doesn't get a lot of use because I've never been able to bond with its thinner profile. Originally Posted by jzucker
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How much do you charge for rectangular inlays on a fretted instrument? My luthier guestimated $500. He said less if he was refretting because it's easier without frets. The frets are good on this instrument though so it doesn't need the refret... Originally Posted by deacon Mark
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