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This is like one of those American slasher movies, where the attacker keeps returning to claim another victim, years after their gruesome demise.
I recently purchased a 2000 Brydland (no spelling is correct according to label), which was in a CC case. The lining has bled into the binding and I need to work out a solution.
The original case is long gone so that's not an option.
I would like to despose of the CC case in a furnace in the basement of a building; Freddy Krugger style but finding a Brydland case is not going to be easy.
Does anyone have alternative ideas?
I'm not into the 'white t-shirt solution', or t-shirt of any colour for that matter
I could have it relined?
Has anyone soaked a case in warm water? Fingers crossed they used epoxy resin.
Is there a Gibson equivalent? A Chet Atkins would work (which I just sold), or any other thin-line 17" style guitar?
I know most Gibson ES models are 16" so they won't work.
A Guild SF case might do it though.
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08-05-2024 04:54 PM
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If the guitar were mine and if I planned to hold on to it, I'd have a new case custom built. I wouldn't attempt to fix the offending CC case and I especially wouldn't use T-shirts to do so--although I'd probably reuse the case as a container for old T-shirts, linens, and the like. Archtop.com (Joe Vinikow) could be a place to start.
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I just bought a 2023 Byrdland and Gibson is now using Tal Farlow cases for them. There was a tag on the case that said Tal Farlow model on it, so the case is a little deep but the Byrd fits quite well.
TKL makes cases for Byrdland's. There is one for sale right now new on Reverb. Ships from New York.
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Heritage uses TKL archtop cases built by Boblen in Montreal. Commoly known as Montreal cases. My thinline Heritage Golden Eagle Custom lives in one. Fits a Byrdland perfectly.
Boblen also built/builds cases for Gretsch, and that includes 17" thinline archtop cases.
A Guild Starfire case is not wide enough (originally built for Guild by Harptone, later on by Boblen).
Easy enough to order a 17" thinline archtop case from a TKL dealer, or buy one off of reverb or ebay.
I'd be perfectly happy to trade you one of mine for the CC case, but the cost of a trans-Atlantic swap makes no sense.
Last edited by Hammertone; 08-13-2024 at 09:58 PM.
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Has anyone here ever contacted CC about the issue?
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Maybe this would work. But I would verify dimensions first.
https://www.amazon.com/Gretsch-G6242.../dp/B003E8N6HE
Or for a premium price, the real thing:
Just a moment...
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Do I have to worry about anther case staining the finish?
I mean, is it the dye in the case or the finish on the guitar? Someone has told me that CC blame the nitro of the guitar of that era.
On the other hand, people seem to have stoped the problem by changing case.
The case itself isn't that high quality. It's relatively flimsy on the outside but plushly lined on the inside.
A thin-line Heritage case would work perfectly. Regarding the Tal Farlow option, that would also work but I don't see Gibson selling those as cases without the guitar inside.
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Didn’t TKL own CC?
Originally Posted by Hammertone
I appreciate your offer, the thought counts
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Maybe a used Epiphone Elitist Byrdland case?
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TKL available.
Just a moment...
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TKL, Cedar Creek, Harptone - all share the same ownership. Originally Posted by Archie
Didn’t TKL own CC? I appreciate your offer, the thought counts
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And these are the right folks to deal with when it comes to Montreal cases - they have a direct line to the factory. Originally Posted by ThatRhythmMan
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I bought a Super 400 case from them. Very nice. Originally Posted by Hammertone
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Good shout! You don’t happen too have one lying around do you? Originally Posted by Sleeko
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Thanks Rhythm Man. Will I not be buying another case to stain my Byrdland? I need to get to the bottom of who’s to blame here. CC linings or Gibson finish. Originally Posted by ThatRhythmMan
What do you think?
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It’s the CC case. They stain ALL guitar brands. I have yet had a TKL stain a Gibson or other brand.
Even Mark Campellone switched over to TKL.
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My 2005 Super 400ces came with the CC and no issue with the bleeding or staining of guitar after almost 20 years. The case is first class but very heavy and a monster to lug around. For me I like the TKL 9121 that is for an 18 inch guitar. I bought 2 of them over the years and quite sturdy but not as heavy. If you have an L5 then the 9120 is the model.
Another great case is a Harptone. My Campellone from 1998 came with a Harptone and first class case maybe even better than TKL. My recent Heritage Johnny Smith acquisition also came with a deluxe Harptone case in light brown and it is not only great it looks great. I am not sure if Harptone still makes case but I heard a number or years ago that really most cases came from same factory but all different names and appointments. Not sure on that?
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Vinny et al,
I have this 2011 MCampellone Std that came in a Cedar Creek custom shop case. It's a solid case and the guitar shows no sign of staining.
Is there an identified time frame, model, or some specific, maybe official statement from the manufacturer that can help reduce fear and anxiety to owners such as yours truly, friend, and fellow archtop officianado's?
Just curious. I would never knowingly harm a fine, or even a mediocre guitar, and whenever I read this kind of thread I'm immediately moved to fetch my only cedar creek case housing one of my favorite guitars yet again to reassure myself that it’s ok. Which it is.
Has there been legal action?
I'm just curious. Sure like to know the scope and likelihood of problems represented in the population of these cases.
I read the individual posts. But surely there must be data somewhere.
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According to Mark Campellone Cedar Creek corrected the problem a couple years ago by switching to a different type of felt glue.
Apparently, they were using a glue that outgassed that caused the felt dye to bleed. Not all years were affected. Different years they used different glues. They have it corrected now I hear. I saw the last Super 400 made and the CC case had white lining, so Gibson was aware of the staining too.
Steve you are one of the lucky ones. Probably because of your niceness. Good Karma buddy.
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CC was made aware of the discoloration problem - I did order a few CC cases after being told that the problem was corrected (though I'm using stock TKL cases now, which I'm perfectly happy with). If your guitar has been in the CC case for a number of years, it should be OK, but you still might want to keep an eye on it. Originally Posted by skykomishone
Vinny et al,
I have this 2011 MCampellone Std that came in a Cedar Creek custom shop case. It's a solid case and the guitar shows no sign of staining.
Is there an identified time frame, model, or some specific, maybe official statement from the manufacturer that can help reduce fear and anxiety to owners such as yours truly, friend, and fellow archtop officianado's?
Just curious. I would never knowingly harm a fine, or even a mediocre guitar, and whenever I read this kind of thread I'm immediately moved to fetch my only cedar creek case housing one of my favorite guitars yet again to reassure myself that it’s ok. Which it is.
Has there been legal action?
I'm just curious. Sure like to know the scope and likelihood of problems represented in the population of these cases.
I read the individual posts. But surely there must be data somewhere.
As for the cause of the problem, the vendor that supplies CC with the velvet liner fabric maintains that the fabric is bleed-proof. I suspect that the culprit is either the padding below the fabric or the adhesive. In any case, the more recent CC cases I'd purchased had a different "aroma", so they must have changed something in an attempt to eliminate the discoloration problem.
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I've used the Canadian made Gretsch Country Gentleman cases for thin-line 17" guitars - they fit fine, and no discoloration issues. Because nitro is not an inert material, it's generally vulnerable to chemical interaction with other materials, but as far as the CC case issue goes, pretty safe to say it was the case and not the finish. Originally Posted by Archie
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Originally Posted by Archie
This is like one of those American slasher movies, where the attacker keeps returning to claim another victim, years after their gruesome demise.
I recently purchased a 2000 Brydland (no spelling is correct according to label), which was in a CC case. The lining has bled into the binding and I need to work out a solution.
The original case is long gone so that's not an option.
I would like to despose of the CC case in a furnace in the basement of a building; Freddy Krugger style but finding a Brydland case is not going to be easy.
Does anyone have alternative ideas?
I'm not into the 'white t-shirt solution', or t-shirt of any colour for that matter
I could have it relined?
A Guild SF case might do it though.
CC re-lined a couple of problem cases for me - at no charge - following that, I ran across yet another problem CC case that I asked them to re-line, but so far they have not authorized a return.
Do you just want to get another case to keep the discoloration from getting worse, or do you plan to try to repair the discoloration that has already occurred?
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Yes, I have had a TKL on two guitars including the Campellone for several years, no issues here either. I did snap off a latch leaning it against the wall, you have to watch out for the rear latch. Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
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Maybe it isn't only CC cases. I have a Lehmann made in 2013 that I bought 2nd hand. It came in a Guardian branded case, and there's staining. I can't say whether or not it was originally shipped in a CC and then changed, but the stain and lining is the same color. BTW: I was glad for the defect or I wouldn't have been able to afford such a fine instrument.
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