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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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03-25-2024 05:33 PM
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I’m trying to remember the Branford Marsalis thing … Jazz is …
1. blues
2. swing
3. Improvisation
I don’t remember if that’s the proper order, but I do remember improvisation was last.
or maybe it was wynton?
or maybe I should just not post this.
ah well.
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Originally Posted by Jonah
Day jobs are doable if you have an understanding S.O. and few other commitments. However, it's true that being a parent is a whole different thing, and you can end up spending <5% of your time on the instrument, if you're lucky. I still can't fathom how Wes did it.
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Originally Posted by Ukena
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
So yeah if you're a jazzer who can't stick a three chord 12/8 slow blues passably yeah, you pretty much suck, no offense. Everyone in the podunk jazz program I knew fit that mold. Do I expect you to sound like a pro blues player doing it? No, but I would not expect you to fumble through it the way I would fumble through an AABA 32 bar when we are talking 3 chords. I am not sure if my brain lacks the advancement to ever grasp jazz on a guitar, or i just didn't do the work because I lacked interest in actually playing it. I quit everything that didn't interest me because I can't maintain the focus needed. Playing blues interests me. My guitar teacher didn't like or respect me because once I learnt blues, I discarded most of the rest of his lesson work to focus on that. If I don't detect a soulful feeling it doesn't hold my interest. Major scales. Melodic minor. Sweep picking. Whatever. Not interested. And just for the record since we are talking and someone might read this: screw Cissy Strut!
I am here because I enjoy listening to jazz and jazz guitar because it provides me with new ideas to try within the blues music framewok since all the great jazzers could stick a basic blues well, and so they have good ideas to offer me as a listener, even if I never play jazz.
As for our OP I think he is busy practicing. He mentioned to me having worked on Malmsteen licks in high school so I hope he goes for broke on his jazz stuff. He can do it if he really wants it.
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
But carry on.....
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And I find it incredibly frustrating that we can’t even agree on foundational things. Surely if Herb Ellis, Joe Pass, Charlie Christian, Charlie Parker, Lester Young, Count Basie, Oscar Peterson, George Benson, Jack McDuff, Kenny Burrell, Jimmy Smith and endless others emphasize blues. It must mean something?
But no, I’m too green to notice that.
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
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I just find it nice that Dawgbone apparently has a little humility which practically no one here thought possible.
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
Easier to hear than explain... here's an example
Tune in G major: C'est si bon
The "B" part in the video starts @00:45
I play it similar to BL
x7778x (lead out sub of Gmaj) (quartal)
x8889x (Bb) (quartal)
x10101011x (Eb) (quartal)
x8889x (F) (quartal)
x6876x (Eb) (maj9)
6x654x (Bb) (11)
x10101011x (Eb) (quartal)
x6876x (Eb) (maj9)
xx5775x (A) (13sus4)
xx5675x (A) (13)
xx10121210 or x3553x (D) (13sus4)
xx10111210 or x3453x (D) (13)
Notice that quartal chords can play different roles (root contexts) and sound great in proximity to chords of the maj9, 11, 13, and 13sus4 family.
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
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Originally Posted by DawgBone
My initial post was directed at you, he just happened to jump in.
I ain't no gatekeeper, I just abhor know it alls, y'know?
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
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Originally Posted by DawgBone
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Not that DawgBone needs or wants a defender. But I think he has been right on the money throughout this thread. First, giving the OP some hard facts of music life. And apparently he actually has communicated with the OP. Plus, telling the OP to focus on the blues. And probably other insights I have missed.
Second point, the OP talked about being "great." Anybody should know that that's not happening when you get serious at age 26. Of course, the words great, awesome, perfect, etc. don't mean much any more. Overused to compliment the most minor achievements. So maybe he really meant it not as being as good as Wes Montgomery but that just playing in a bar occasionally would qualify as great. Then he probably will be he great if he practices and plays out even if he doesn't move to NYC.
Third, where is the OP? Not heard from despite a lot of excellent insights here, both on his behalf and for various forms of self-expression.
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For what it’s worth, I don’t think I need an apology. It’s worth pointing out that I’m still green every once in a while. After all, I’m only halfway through the first ten years.
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Originally Posted by pauln
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
Green about the Blues. There's a fucking album title!
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Blue but not Green?
It’s in there somewhere.
And VERY surprised Grant didn’t get there first.
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
That's Grant's album. Shame he didn't get to do that one.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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kind of green ?.... (sorry)
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