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Originally Posted by ragman1
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01-29-2018 11:54 AM
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"D7 to Db7, that's the normal..." Even they don't know.
Look, the guy's learning. Suggest some soloing ideas for simple minor jazz blues. That's what he asked for. Footprints is in 3/4 or 6/8 and it's tricky. I forgot that.
I can suggest quite a lot but you're advanced, so you can do it :-)
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Cm - Cm blues, Eb maj, Bb maj (dorian), C mel (Cm6), Cm/Dm pent
C7 (#9) - C alt
Fm - Eb maj (dorian), Fm blues, Fm/Gm pent,
Ab7 - Db maj, Eb mel
G7 - Cm blues, Gm blues, G aug, G alt
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Originally Posted by ragman1
Ha! Ha!
All is well. It's great getting these suggestions. I take them all and keep what I can use at this point in my development.
You have got me looking in my Real Books. I am kind of surprised how sparse some of the Minor Jazz Blues changes are for some of the songs.
But I am thinking that in actually playing, good Jazz players throw in their 2-5s and other chords to spice things up - so I will not be fooled...
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This two-part video class on the minor blues is great: Roni Ben-Hur (Inside the Minor Blues) - Videos 1, 2 & PDF Bundle - My Music Masterclass
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Originally Posted by David B
You might have cost me $30.00 bucks! When I get home, I will research this instructor and his material - get some feedback.
Thanks!
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I looked through my two volumes of Real Books. Man, even with the simple Blues songs, those last four bars are all over the place when it comes to chord selection. So much so, that I just don't know what to expect - typical of Jazz, there is no standardization so I would have to hear the progression or few times or have a lead sheet before I could try to solo.
Sometimes they stick in some form of minor 2-5-1, other times they use consecutive 2-5s, and other times they get close to a basic Blues 5-4-1 and then the turnaround.
I guess that's just Jazz, and I am going to set up my Band in the Box with one 2-5-1 movement in one measure. After a few hundred times through, I will add more based on actual tunes. Out to the woodshed!
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A good way to learn harmony is to compare all these diverse progressions and see what chords can be swapped for each other.
Also harmony follows the melody. The chords used in the real book are (when they are correct!) designed to fit that particular melody.
They all relate to the basic three chord template.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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BTW remember, the jazz blues template is slightly different to the Chicago blues template.... The main difference is in the last 4 bars
Chicago (i.e. post 50's)
V | IV | I | (V)
Jazz (from 20s on)
V7 | % | I | (V)
with common subs:
II7 | V7 | I | V7
IIm7 | V7 | I | V7
Any further variants on the blues are devlopments of this basic form
I | (IV) | I | I |
IV | % | I | % |
V7 | % | I | (V7)
The Hard Bop guys sometimes used the Chicago blues version to be a bit more 'down home.' It also became more common for all the chords in a blues to be explicitly dominant, while older jazz versions used major or 6 chords quite often for I and IV in the accompaniment - although soloists would use both b7s and 7s.
(Not always though! The original recording of Now's the Time is the opposite way round lol, those guys would fail jazz theory)
Notice that Johnny B Goode is the jazz version of the blues changes :-)
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My favourite not-obvious reharmonisation of a 12-bar is the A section of Wave... Can learn a mess of harmony looking at that, Blues for Alice, and Dance of the Infidels.
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I didn't see it mentioned so I'll toss this in:
Go to the harmonic minor scale and play ii-V-i type things in the scale. You'll get the Mahna de carnival (sorry about the spellin) changes like this:
emi7b5 A713b9 Dmi (you could continue to the Gm iv chord . . ).
This would be in the 'key' of D mi sort of. The A7 could be b9, 11b9 or 13b9 if you're taking liberties. Doesn't have to be played bossa nova style . . .
Bob
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Originally Posted by Barka_Lott
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by AlsoRan
Last edited by PMB; 01-31-2018 at 06:46 PM.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
where I came with using only first 12 bars of the form, for more less obvious reasons ...
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Originally Posted by PMB
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Vladan
Great music. But we never got to see Verona! Nice place!
I see you took the A34. Normally it looks like this and goes to Manchester
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Originally Posted by ragman1
BTW, sorry but since we are already OT, could anybody, please, tell me why Destinytot got banned?
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Originally Posted by Vladan
Brother Destiny got into with Brother Fasstrack and the rest is history. They both ended up getting banned. Emotions got the better of them.
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Originally Posted by Vladan
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Guess what?
Once again the answer was here on this website all along! Here are multiple Minor Blues progressions that each add another wrinkle until you get to progression 11, which is full of turnarounds and substitutions! It suggests a few songs, and there is a follow-on link for soloing strategies!
Thanks Matt and Dirk!
Minor Blues | Jazz Guitar Chord ProgressionsLast edited by AlsoRan; 01-31-2018 at 10:52 PM.
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Here’s a good minor blues by the late great Larry Coryell.. I took the advice of title of this tune quite a few times
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