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I have a guitar that for a good while has been literally perfect. Straight neck, no buzz, wonderful player. All of a sudden, the 1st string, when played on the 1st fret has a "klank-buzz" sort of sound. The 2nd string has a little, strings 3-6 seem fine. I've never had a moment's problem with this guitar.
We have had a shift to much more humid weather here. Is it possible the 2nd fret has simply raised up a bit on the treble end? I used a fret rocker and confirmed it does seem the 2nd fret is a little high, or maybe the first is a little low? This is a pretty new guitar so i don't think it's wear.
I'm fearful if it's just humidity related, and I re-dress the fret, when dry weather comes it'll be too low and buzz on the 3rd fret, and so it goes.
Any suggestions or ideas?
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02-19-2018 10:58 AM
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You could put a small "shim" - made of paper for example into the nut slot to fix the problem temporarily and see what happens when the weather changes before you do anything that's not easily reversed...
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Have you tried adding just a little relief with the truss rod?
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Originally Posted by ThatRhythmMan
I wanted to get some suggestions first.
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Originally Posted by TOMMO
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Low fret or a high fret same symptoms you just have to work with it to determine which. I really think if it in the shop based on the neck being otherwise straight and relief good, and finally the action is what you like, a simply dressing of first 5 frets. You do not need to take of hardly any fret material and going over it and polishing them down I bet will do the trick. If the 2n fret is high as you begin to dress them that will be the target. If the material comes off from that point you just go light, the re-crowning and polish should get you clean sound.
I probably did not explain this very well because as much of a science it can be it also has to do with experience of doing it many times. One thing to note is to make sure if it is a high fret that the fret is properly seated and solid in the slot. Sometimes I have even take my fret radius caul and press the fret tight like I was installing a new fret. I can do this because I use my very old but top quality heavy-duty drill press. My set up allows for much more pressure on the frets to seat than those hand clamp ones that Stew Mac sells.
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Originally Posted by deacon Mark
Thanks for the advice!
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Also, probably no material is going to be coming off the 5th fret. Dressing to the 5 really means you see where the material is coming off as you file. If high 2nd fret the material will immediately start coming off that fret probably on the treble side based on your description. Then once anything starts coming off frets 4-5, you stop dressing and crown what you removed and polish. In effect you really are only working in a small area to get it ironed out.
A sacrifice to the FRET GODS might help but it violates the first commandment.
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Originally Posted by deacon Mark
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If you are new to fret leveling it is a good idea to mark the fret tops with a sharpie so you can see any low frets more easily as you level the fret tops. A sharpie is also handy to mark the fret tops when doing the recrowning. If you work slowly you should be OK. Use a few strips of masking tape between the frets to be on the safe side. The tape makes clean up easier also.
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Originally Posted by Matt Cushman
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Originally Posted by Matt Cushman
Matt, Bill Hollenbeck use to keep me in line now you have that job.......I am trainable.
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i'd doubt the humidity popped the 2nd fret..more likely the neck straightened out a tad...the first sign of not enough relief is buzzing at the first few frets...other possibiity is that the nut slut is a bit low...tho if the problem suddenly appeared, it's more likely neck relief
humidity and temp swings can wreak havoc on necks
turn trussrod ccw a hair and it should work
luck
cheers
ps- a fret rocker only works accurately after you've adjusted the trussrod for the neck to be perfectly straight..no bow or backbow...and ideally with no strings onLast edited by neatomic; 02-19-2018 at 06:02 PM. Reason: add-
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Originally Posted by neatomic
But then it wouldn't be the first important thing i didn't know. Can someone explain if something is wrong with my question here?
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Lawson ,
I recently had a similar issue with one fret that lifted slighlty on a used guitar I recently purchased. I used a small pc of wood and rubbed over the fret while exerting pressure on the fret and supporting the neck. Sort of like burnishing the fret into the slot. It took several attempts - but in my case problem solved. Might be worth trying if you explored all other suggestions. Even if you attempt a re- dress the fret must be seated, so no harm in trying this.
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Originally Posted by QAman
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ok, i never sd the "first fret!"!!??...
i also said, its most likely not enough neck relief..an 1/8 turn on the trussrod and this would probably be over by now
the nut slot being low definitely affects things as it changes the whole angle of your string..tho it usually affects/buzzes the area around the 5th fret most..tho buzzing just about anywhere is possible..why i said it would be the second thing to check
lastly as far as fret height...the fret up is always where it buzzes..so if u press the first fret and the 2 buzzes its because the 2nd fret is too tall..tho i repeat, i do not think that is the issue here
also i'd change the string before doing any fretwerk
hope that helps
but there's a protocol....esp without any trussrod adjustments things have to be done in order...you dont just start out sanding frets
turn the trussrod!!
cheers
ps- and lastly if the fret did indeed pop..then the fix is reseating the fret..not a levelling..you could level that fret perfect..and it'll pop a bit more in a week and you'll be back to buzzingLast edited by neatomic; 02-19-2018 at 07:40 PM.
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You are correct. I would not be removing any metal until I was certain fret was seated. If you have the clamp thats great, put it on fret 2 and proceed slowly.
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the underside of a fret has nibs that catch the wood walls of the slot...once that relationship is compromised, no amount of clamping is a guaranteed permanent cure...another temp/humidity change can have that fret popped again in no time
if you are wary of adjusting trussrods, you shouldnt be fooling with frets
cheers
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Originally Posted by QAman
I do understand the protocol, but thanks all the same for reminding me. Never hurts. Checklists exist for a reason, right? Check.
I'm going to get some strong lighting and magnification and really examine that fret-end before I do anything else.
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My first check would be the relief. That can be affected by humidity and temperature. Before doing anything, check the relief and make sure it's adequate. You don't need much, but make sure the string, when fretted (capo'd, easier) at the first and 14th frets, assuming the neck is attached at the 14th fret, use whichever is at the body end) doesn't touch any frets in between. Too much tension on the truss rod often bows the neck back, and often at the lower frets, from 1 to 5. Backing off on the truss rod just a little is often all that's needed. I just went through that on one of my guitars - it suddenly started buzzing on the lower frets, IIRC 2 to 5 or so. About an eighth of a turn of the truss rod nut fixed that. I would never start doing difficult things before I knew it was necessary, and had already tried the easy stuff.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
Never doubted your intelligence or knowledge base - that speaks for itself . Good luck with your efforts . Im confident you will solve the buzz.
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Originally Posted by QAman
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If you think the fret has lifted there will be some evidence of this. If the fret has lifted there will be a gap between the board and the fret. Can a piece of paper slide under the fret? A fret that wont stay seated will have to be glued in or replaced.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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