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Jonzo, can you explain the following terms from your list? Or link to somewhere with definitions (of these and maybe more)?
I may be able to guess one or two (and I probably know the things they're referring to), but I've not heard any of these terms before and I'd like to be sure:
IV n Back brickAre "Bootstrap" and "Bauble" tunes, or more of these terms? (or both?)
Dropping back / Drop back
Bootstrap
IV ’n’ Yak brick
B&S cadence approach
DoglegChromatic Dropback
Donna Lee Opening brick
Slow Launcher
On-Off
TTFA
Somewhere and To IV n Yak.
Backslider
New Horizon
Bird SPOT
On-Off (nowhere)-On
Rainy cadence
Sideslips
Two Goes
Yardbird substitution.
Pennies Ending
Extended cadence
Overrun
Nowhere
Starlight Cadence
Night and Day Cadence.
Sideslip concept
Last edited by JonR; 06-02-2013 at 02:22 PM.
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06-02-2013 02:11 PM
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JonR, you should look here for an explanation of the terms that John Elliott coined for his work:
Dropback Method
Maybe that's just a brief overview and more details come in a complete package you should pay for.
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Jon,
Your list is as far as I can see mostly "bricks" and "joins" in Conrad Cork/John Elliott's system for remembering (and playing) tunes. The best overview I've seen (apart from the books) is: http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~keller/jazz/i...7.htm#Glossary
Bootstrap and Bauble is form of joins in Conrad Cork/John Elliott's system. I'd say the represent modulations from one key to another. A good overview is given here: http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~keller/jazz/i....htm#JoinNames
Example of bricks are the obvious ii-V-I that is called Straight Cadence. An example of joins New Horizon where you say have a progression like Dm-G7-C-C-Cm7-F7-Bb. The modulation here is whats called a New Horizon.
GLast edited by gersdal; 06-02-2013 at 02:48 PM.
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John Elliott is mostly into functional tunes, so I guess to complete the list you should add a few non-functional tunes like a modal tune (so what!) and a modern tunes like 500 miles high.
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You're welcome.
You might really like Elliott's book. It breaks typical "Real Book" tunes down into common patterns. Part of it is a tune book that, in addition to the chord changes, identifies the patterns. The mnemonics generally correspond to tunes that the pattern is used in. There are plenty of reasons to dislike his naming choices--but that is the nature of this type of system. The best mnemonics will always be the ones you invent yourself, but using Elliott's could give you a common language with others who use the system.
The other part of the book contains an analysis of the frequency with which some of the patterns occur in the tunes. So, for example, with just X number of patterns you can play Y number of tunes. Following his frequency progression would give you the most bang for the buck, but it might be a while before you get to, say, minor progressions.
It sounds like you want something like the Manhattan School of Music list for beginner/intermediate. Elliott's book would help you identify likely suspects. However, if you are trying to identify tunes that use a variety of modes, you would need to look elsewhere. I suspect that some intermediate jazz method books would have a variety of useful tunes, but I don't know which ones. You could check out the tunes in some of the Aebersold collections. There is probably a "moving on up" collection somewhere.
Sometimes jumping in and learning a hard tune can create a lot of improvement. My son made a lot of progress when he worked on a difficult classical piece for about a year, with his teacher fine tuning his playing in each section. But he was working on easier tunes too. Some people have the patience to work on a hard tune for a long time, others find it a drag. Take your emotions into account. A difficult tune can be a fun challenge if you love it, a trudge if you don't.
I think you can find Elliot, and PM him from this site.
You can also download the Impro-Visor program. It's free. In addition to being a quick and dirty band in a box substitute, it will analyze tunes and identify the "bricks" as defined by Elliott.
If you have an IReal Book, you can download a lot of exercises that correspond to Elliott's system.Last edited by Jonzo; 06-02-2013 at 03:57 PM.
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Nuages
although i love Coltrane, i say definitely not Giant Steps as it’s too hard for most beginner to intermediate players, not particularly musical, sounds like an exercise in chasing remote chord changes, and really noone wants hear it in the real world except for other musicians who will just criticize your performance of it. if you slow it down and play it latin style then maybe, but thats a big maybe. Stay with the easier Coltrane tunes like Impressions or Blue Trane.
ill contribute my list later, gracias. jt
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Rhythm Changes
Blues (in several keys, esp F and Bb)
It Could Happen To You
Green Dolphin Street
Blue Bossa
Sweet Georgia Brown
All The Things You Are
Autumn Leaves
Impressions (or So What, but Impressions is the better melody)
Stella by Starlight
Like-New Gibson ES-335's
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