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I am going to say this as nicely as possible.
Originally Posted by jazzyguitar
If you were to go to a jam session in NYC (or really, any city with a good jazz scene), play like that, and then not only insist that was good, but that it was better than any "jazz legend"...
...the absolute best case scenario is that you'd be laughed off the bandstand.
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07-09-2021 05:05 PM
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…and that is the point, isn’t it? Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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I just don't think it is, for everyone. Originally Posted by Mark M.
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I dont need to start any thread and i dont want to build up my self with Grasso. If you check the previous pages you will see that I criticized Grasso technique saying that it was Easy technique. And then some guys started to challenge me and calling me troll. They thought I was just trolling. and they asked me to post videos of me doing somethig technically more remarkable. So I had to do it and post it, i was not gonna post initially. Its not my fault, if they challenge me, I have to react. Simple. And I will post more and more. Originally Posted by Mark M.
This is a fact and its not under any debate. What I said is that to play Alto break with fingers you need skills that your "jazz legends" (not all but most of them) who plays with a plectrum doesnt have to play it. If you check on youtube theres not many playing it. I only found one guy doing the right way, but it was with a plectrum which is very very easy. With the fingers I havent found anybody. There are some guys that can do that for sure, but they are not many. Its not my fault the parker idea is meaningless, I agree that from a musical point of view is nothing special. I played it note by note, except for the ending, so is mostly accurate, next week will be 100% Originally Posted by dasein
I am sure both of you and all the people here that are criticizing me cant even play the Alto Break with a plectrum which is very easy, this fact talks about a deep lack of skills.
Doing it with fingers is WAY more remarkable than doing it with a plectrum and shows more technical skills that your beloved legends (most of them) These are facts, is not something I am inventing. If you deny it well, you clearly know 0 about guitar.And if you think you can play the guitar I challenge you to play the alto break with fingers. Only by playing it you will know how difficult is to do that. I know you cant.... Is an isolated phrase, I never would go to a jam session and playing it out of context, but yes its 100% more difficult than your plectrum guys. People who plays fast with fingers use to see plectrum like a proof of lack of skills
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You got tabs for that alto break?
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Originally Posted by dasein
Other thing. Here is another video of me. Originally Posted by Mark M.
This is a phrase by a Flamenco Player named Vicente Gomez , (if you play it you can play anything by him). He was a very good player, actually if you check the video below you will see is named Flamenco MASTER Vicente Gomez. So yes he was a master in flamenco (which is WAY more difficult than grasso and your jazz guitar technique). He used to do tours back to the 30 and 40 , then he set up in USA, and made many recordings and appeared in some Hollywood movies playing the guitar (like The Snows of Kilimanjaro something with Gregory Peck and Ava Gardner). When Rubinstein was visiting Madrid he was impressed by him and encouraged him to take music seriously and then yes he got skills, toured around the world USSR (Yes was difficult to go there ), America, Europe, etc etc.
This guy used to say this about playing with a plectrum. (you can check it on the commentaries) Im gonna quote you a comment by one of his students.
"Rand - me too. I studied with Gomez more than 50 years ago and had a panic attack and quit the day before I was supposed to do my first concert. I went on to have a pretty good career on guitar but not flamenco or classical guitar. I will always remember one day I showed up for a lesson and reached into my pocket and pulled out a guitar pick. I thought "The Senor" was going to cry. He looked into my eyes and said with this heavy Spanish accent "was a matta you kiddy, you wanna you whole life to play like a hill billy"? He was a very sweet man one thing I remember about him is he loved his dogs and had Doberman Pinchers."
As you can see is not only me who thinks playing with a plectrum is a proof of lack of skills, cause if you focus you can do the same with fingers, it takes more time cause its more difficult (WAY more), but if you want respect... it is worthy. Ok so here is his video The phrase of my video is 0:34 to 0:43
If you check the comments everybody praises him saying he has a great right had etc, well I can do any of his solos, faster than him. So ifstart underestimating my videos , you really will look like people who has 0 idea of playing a guitar. He was a flamenco master and i can play his lines faster.
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Not sure why the obsession for fast finger playing. I'm sure there are plenty of bass players who can do that already, big whoop
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And here you are wrong, cause yes one thing is doing that with electric guitar as one guy Mateo Mancusso or the bass finger players and something very different and way more difficult is to do that with a nylon classical guitar. Its a completely different technique and way more difficult. With the bass or electric guitar you justn eed to move fast (a simple amp, will do the job) but with a classical guitar you need way more than that. Originally Posted by jazznylon
I clearly see you understand little, sorry... if you want to compare classical guitar apoyando with people that hides and rely on their amp and doesnt need to train the nails and other things
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So you don't like jazz?
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I like jazz but I dont understand why people goes for plectrum instead of fingers, most of them thinks is very very difficult and its not, it takes more time but it is worthy Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Ok, you don’t like plectrum playing. In your opinion, it is inferior to fingerstyle playing. We’ve heard it. Many of us have a differing opinion. Instead it of continuing to piss all over a thread for those that appreciate PG’s playing, can we move on?
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One thing are opinions other are facts, and this is a clear one. But check the quote of the flamenco master. Its not only me. so my question to you is: you wanna you whole life to play like a hill billy"? Originally Posted by Mark M.
Rand - me too. I studied with Gomez more than 50 years ago and had a panic attack and quit the day before I was supposed to do my first concert. I went on to have a pretty good career on guitar but not flamenco or classical guitar. I will always remember one day I showed up for a lesson and reached into my pocket and pulled out a guitar pick. I thought "The Senor" was going to cry. He looked into my eyes and said with this heavy Spanish accent "was a matta you kiddy, you wanna you whole life to play like a hill billy"? He was a very sweet man one thing I remember about him is he loved his dogs and had Doberman Pinchers.
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Proud hillbilly here.
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Yet another person who can’t make the distinction between opinion and fact. If he says it, or someone he agrees with, it’s a fact. I have no use for people like that, and there are many of them.
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WHY NOT HAVE BOTH? LENNY BREAU
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Because it sounds great? Originally Posted by jazzyguitar
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I wouldn’t mind having the picking chops of some of those hillbilly bluegrass players! Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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People who think playing with a plectrum is easier than fingerstyle have never tried crosspicking… which the hillbillies are rather good at. Finger picking arpeggios is for the weak.
If you want to be the winner at guitar, fingerpick your fast scales, and flatpick your arpeggios. Music is all about making things challenging for yourself. If you can’t fingerpick Al di Meola solos and flatpick Bach preludes, you may as well give up on guitar and become a hermit, because you won’t be able to show yourself face in public again.
FACT.
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Also, why not to play with teeth or toes then (people do). Even more difficult - more respect, right?
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finger picking arpegios is for the weak, maybe with 3 fingers as classical guitar plays, but not with 2 fingers using rest stroke that is what i use and is way harder than 3 fingers arpegios. Doesnt matter , is always harder to play with fingers specially the rest stroke technique, harder than any plectrum stuff. If you dont see it well thats not my fault. Crossing pickin hard? What do you mean by crosspicking? The technique u use to play the theme of anthropology? If so, nah its not hard, its harder with fingers, way harder. I can play the fast anthropolgy version with 2 fingers of parker. I was practicing with the recording and matched parker speed no problem at all. With plectrum is easier, that easier than I took a pic after long time without using and i plaid it same speed than parkers...so no no way its difficult with a plectrum Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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I'm sorry but if you're going to be playing with other people then you're gonna need an amp (especially if you're using a classical guitar with classical technique). I know because I've been there.. I couldn't even hear myself despite trying my best to push the string as far down as possible and then playing, the volume just won't cut through. I had to resort to using my solely my thumb during that gig, striking down the strings as hard as possible using the fleshy part. Little did I know there was blood spurting out of my thumb but I just kept going at it blissfully unaware. And the worst part is after all that I'm not sure even that reached to the audience, maybe my bandmates though as one of them looked at me weird. Was a long time ago.. good memories
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I use my right right earlobe, and I can play Donna Lee at 300 bpm with this technique. Fingers are for the weak. I said it. It’s a fact. If you can’t see it, it’s your problem.
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lol Originally Posted by Mark M.
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In his biography, George Van Eps mentions a recording session where he was required to play an impossible chord. He managed it by holding down one of the notes with his nose.
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There's always one blowhard on every forum, nothing to see here.
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