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So I've been following Jimmy Bruno's advice and listening to a lot of jazz and what not and he said that we should be able to do Maj, Min and Dom 7ths all across his fingerings (with Inversions too). I'm a bit confused about how to go about this as I saw a comment of his saying that piano and guitar inversions are different, so I thought I'd ask this forum as a lot of people seem knowledgeable on his ideology. I just want to fill the minimum requirements he says as soon as I can so I can maybe book lessons with him lol. I'm willing to put in the work I just need a bit of guidance of where to go, any advice is appreciated.
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07-02-2025 05:17 PM
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What is it that you find confusing?
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how to go about locating where the min maj and dom 7ths are across the fingerings
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Pick a fingering for C major scale.
Originally Posted by magmaro
Inside that fingering, locate the notes C E G B for Cmaj7 ... then locate the notes D F A C for Dmin7 ... then locate the notes G B D F for G7. Once you can find those in one octave, go about finding them in two octaves in the same pattern. Pretty often, you will need to start on another note besides the root to do that.
Do that in the other five fingerings. Other keys etc.
not sure who was saying that inversions are different on piano and guitar. They're not. Inversions are inversions are inversions. The instruments themselves work differently, obviously, but an inversion is a theoretical concept that is the same no matter the instrument.
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o.k., I have the feeling we're gonna need to post some diagrams.... Originally Posted by magmaro
Can you arpeggiate all the 7th chords in each position? Chord tones come from scales so you can find them in each scale position.
P.S. - Peter and I made pretty much the same point.
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honestly I was hoping for some diagrams to start that would help lol. I can't do them in all positions, I think i can do Gmaj7 in the first (5 position) fingering in all inversions but I just copied that from one of his videos.
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I think Jimmy was saying they were different in the sense of what notes were being moved. Piano it's just the Bass note moving but in guitar I think he was saying the notes moved differently or something. I have to try to find what comment it was. Thank you for the advice ill work on that right away. Does the same thing apply for chords and triads? I was always confused how to go about those.
P.S - Somehow the advice made me more confused ;/, can you use notes on the same string for Cmaj7 or does it all have to be different strings?
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Yes, I was afraid you'd say that. Originally Posted by magmaro
Think I have something notated already, I'll look.
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thanks haha. I'm still fairly new to the guitar so bare with me lol. The issue for me right now I guess is visualizing how things are supposed to be
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I don't know if the attached will help, I shared it once before and people said they had trouble deciphering the layout, but the basic idea is that all the chord tones are notated and you may combine them however you wish. Also, they are 3 note rather than 4 note chords, and their root is often omitted, so you'll have to find it.
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ngl this confused me even more
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Sorry, I'll post something simpler later.... Originally Posted by magmaro
ngl this confused me even more
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It's okay, I'm sure I'll have a-ha moment sooner or later and look back on these posts.
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That's because it doesn't have anything to do with the question you asked. Originally Posted by magmaro
ngl this confused me even more
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welp
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I mean it's just some leg work. Originally Posted by magmaro
Take the pattern for C major scale ... find the notes of the C major seventh chord. Then Dm7 and G7. Rinse repeat until you've memorized them. They'll all be diatonic notes (notes from the scale) and they'll allow you to play that super common chord progression (ii-V-I) in the key of that scale. So it's very practical (one might even say "essential") stuff to know and worth the time.
The first position you do this in will be a royal pain in the a**
The second will be very annoying.
The third will be a minor inconvenience.
The other two or three you'll probably do in one sitting.
Learning curve is a little steep, but it levels off quick. Just put rubber to the road and do it.
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so the order doesnt matter? Just find the notes that are included in the chord? Not including the open strings themselves right? If so that makes sense, i thought there was supposed to be a certain order you learn stuff. So just find the notes in each fingering for every key ?
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Find them and then for practice, you'll want to organize them in ascending then descending order just like you do with a scale. Originally Posted by magmaro
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so would this work then?
ok bet, P.S where do i break them off? You said to break them into octaves.
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So you've taken a C major scale in second position and labeled the notes of the C major 7 arpeggio in ascending order, yeah? Originally Posted by magmaro
If that's the case, then yep. That'd be it. Play them in ascending order, then in descending order a lot of times. Play them starting on the high note, then down to the bottom and back a lot of times. Play them in fun little patterns and junk a lot of times.
Do the same thing with Dm7 and G7 in that same position. Move that one position into other keys -- your ii V and I chords will be in the exact same places with the same fingerings, so once you're oriented that'll be a breeze.
When you're comfortable, move up to that next position in C and do the same thing.
et voila
EDIT:
I said to find them in octaves first since that's a little easier to do, but if you've got the whole thing from low to high in the position, then that's where you want to end up anyway, so roll with that.
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> So you've taken a C major scale in second position and labeled the notes of the C major 7 arpeggio in ascending order, yeah?
I took Jimmy Brunos 5th fingering position in C major, if that's the exact same thing yeah. Ah okay so octave thing does matter just go ascending descending play with it okay, those positions seem a bit awkward lots of pinky and ring finger stuff.
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Yeah. You could arrange it so that it’s less pinky if you want. I’m not sure how Jimmy does that or if he cares.
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not sure how i'd arrange it so I think ill just stick true to the fingerings, appreciate all the help
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Yeah whatever you think is best. Methods are meant to be a jumping off point. When you feel you want to explore another way, you should do that and know that the structure is waiting when you come back.
As long as you’re interested and trust the material, you can hang in the structure.
Im also not a Jimmy Bruno method guy. I use the same patterns more or less for myself and my students. Others here have used it and speak highly.
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Jens covers how to study scales in this video. It’ll get you sorted.
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