Legato Eb7b9 Pentatonic scale

[jzucker]

Legato Eb7b9 Pentatonic scale


This is an Eb7b9 pentatonic. I take the normal 1 2 3 5 6 and alter it so that it's 1 b9 3 5 b7. Over Eb7 that gives
you Root, b9, 3rd 5th and b7. You can also use this over Dbdim7, Edim7, Gdim7, BbDim7 and even EMaj7.


And of course you can use these over Eb7, Gb7, A7, C7.


In the pentatonic sequence, anytime there are 2 notes on a string, i play them slurred for a more legato sound

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[Woody Sound]

Nice. I often use 7b9 arp and o7 arp interchangeably. But sometimes when I'm on the fly I hit a boner because they can be 1/2s (1 fret) off!

ps - Haven't seen you here much lately, jaz.

[Mick-7]

I'd just call this a 7b9 arpeggio, calling a 5 note chord arpeggio a pentatonic scale is getting overly academic.

[pamosmusic]

I'd just call this a 7b9 arpeggio, calling a 5 note chord arpeggio a pentatonic scale is getting overly academic.

because pentatonic has ten letters and arpeggio has eight?

or .... ?

[Mick-7]

because pentatonic has ten letters and arpeggio has eight?

or .... ?

It's just chord tones, Eb7b9 = Eb-G-Bb-Db-E(Fb), why call it anything else? Should I call every chord arpeggio I play a different pentatonic scale?

[bediles]

Pentatonic maybe implies a type of playing .. 2 notes per string etc

[bediles]

It's just chord tones, Eb7b9 = Eb-G-Bb-Db-E(Fb), why call it anything else? Should I call every chord arpeggio I play a different pentatonic scale?

No, silly.

[pamosmusic]

Pentatonic maybe implies a type of playing .. 2 notes per string etc

Thats what I’m thinking. Jack can speak for himself, but when I hear 7b9 arpeggio I’m thinking Sonny Rollins. When I hear Phrygian dominant pentatonic or something, I’m thinking Jerry Bergonzi.

[jzucker]

A pentatonic scale is a musical scale that has five notes. The word "pentatonic" comes from the Greek word pente, which means "five".

The b9 pentatonic is based on 5th mode of harmonic minor.

Ab Harmonic Minor is Ab Bb Cb Db Eb Fb G

5th mode of Ab Harmonic Minor is Eb Fb G Ab Bb Cb Db

Standard pentatonic formula is 1 2 3 5 6

which is Eb Fb G Bb Cb, however, this scale is an altered/synthetic pentatonic so I raise the 6th by a 1/2 step.

And *YES* of course it's also an arpeggio.

A major scale is an arpeggio. C D E F G A B is a 13chord if you resort it in 3rds. C E G B D F A

[jzucker]

It's just chord tones, Eb7b9 = Eb-G-Bb-Db-E(Fb), why call it anything else? Should I call every chord arpeggio I play a different pentatonic scale?

Are you ok Brother? As someone who is bipolar and borderline, i recognize some of the patterns.

[jzucker]

on a related subject. Why is there a need for an aggressive attitude on these forums? We are all pursuing what we love. Let's be supportive and not combative.

[bako]

Mick, For my purposes a pentatonic scale is any 5 note collection that I find useable.
Yes CDbEGBb is also an arpeggio. So is CEGBbDF#A but it is also a G melodic minor scale or a C Lydian dominant.
So is CEGAD. Multiple perspectives can coexist peaceably.

[Mick-7]

Folks are missing my point, which was: if a set of notes spells out a chord, it's easier to remember it as that chord rather than as a scale. If you do the latter, you'll have a lot of obscure scales/modes you'll have to organize and think about how to apply. It's easy to remember and know what to do with "E7b9 chord tones," not so with "harmonic minor pentatonic scale," or whatever other arcane name you may give it.

[Christian Miller]

Arpeggio and scale refer to different orderings of the pitch set.

In the same way a C melodic minor scale and a Cm13(maj7) arpeggio are the same pitches with a different ordering.

Modern CST regards all pitch orderings as essentially interchangeable (the clues in the name) but looking at things in a different way might result in a different understanding.

After all, the different pitch orderings sound different and have a different musical effect. A scale ordering of a pitch set does not sound the same as a pan diatonic quartal ordering and so on.

For an obvious example - Wes tends to go up in thirds and steps, and that shapes the way he sounds compared to someone like Peter Bernstein who uses fourths a lot - even if the overall chord scale implications of the Dorian or whatever are the same from the perspective of chord scale choice.

All music theory simplifies stuff.


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[jzucker]

I said this essentially in post #9

Arpeggio and scale refer to different orderings of the pitch set.

In the same way a C melodic minor scale and a Cm13(maj7) arpeggio are the same pitches with a different ordering.

Modern CST regards all pitch orderings as essentially interchangeable (the clues in the name) but looking at things in a different way might result in a different understanding.

After all, the different pitch orderings sound different and have a different musical effect. A scale ordering of a pitch set does not sound the same as a pan diatonic quartal ordering and so on.

For an obvious example - Wes tends to go up in thirds and steps, and that shapes the way he sounds compared to someone like Peter Bernstein who uses fourths a lot - even if the overall chord scale implications of the Dorian or whatever are the same from the perspective of chord scale choice.

All music theory simplifies stuff.


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[Mick-7]

Arpeggio and scale refer to different orderings of the pitch set. In the same way a C melodic minor scale and a Cm13(maj7) arpeggio are the same pitches with a different ordering.

Chord names are not a useful memory aid for scales of 6 notes or more, but they are for 5 note scales. Obviously Eb7b9 chord tones can be ordered however one wants, and the chord voicings provide a shortcut to where the notes are on the fretboard - you won't need to know the scale(s) from which the chord can be derived.

[pamosmusic]

Chord names are not a useful memory aid for scales of 6 notes or more, but they are for 5 note scales. Obviously Eb7b9 chord tones can be ordered however one wants, and the chord voicings provide a shortcut to where the notes are on the fretboard - you won't need to know the scale(s) from which the chord can be derived.

... he said, slamming his gavel upon the table --- and from that day forward, the pentatonic scale was known as the major 6/9 arpeggio, and no one ever called it the major pentatonic scale again.

[Christian Miller]

... he said, slamming his gavel upon the table --- and from that day forward, the pentatonic scale was known as the major 6/9 arpeggio, and no one ever called it the major pentatonic scale again.

And while we’re at it, let’s talk about the dictionary definition of improvisation!


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[pamosmusic]

And while we’re at it, let’s talk about the dictionary definition of improvisation!


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And hammers!

[Mick-7]

... he said, slamming his gavel upon the table --- and from that day forward, the pentatonic scale was known as the major 6/9 arpeggio, and no one ever called it the major pentatonic scale again.

Unfortunately, that's not the reaction I got from the trademark attorney.