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Originally Posted by Greco
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02-10-2020 03:23 PM
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If Fender comes out with another Tone Master, I hope it's a Vibrolux Reverb. With 2x10's and 35 watts, it would be the perfect amp to fit between the 22 (100 digital) watt 1x12 DR and 85 (200 digital) watt 2x12 TR.
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Originally Posted by Gitfiddler
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I've played the Tone Master DR at a local shop and own a 68 RI. The TMDR is really close. Not exact but great and very close. In a mix no one would know the difference.
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It has always seemed strange to me how much more popular the Deluxe Reverb is compared to the Vibrolux. They weight more or less the same, same category when it comes to portability. Its probably that people prefer 1x12 to 2x10, plus the fact that the DR reissue is very similar to the old ones, whereas the VR not so much. But the early silverface VRs are truly great sounding amps!
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Originally Posted by Alter
I've never played the BF version but I extensively demoed the DRRI, TRRI, and a CVR. The CVR has no negative feedback loop so it has a lot of idle hiss and breaks up really early before much clean tone. A blues amp. It is loud. The DRRI was dead quiet and had a nice low volume clean but broke up sweetly around 4. Much better for jazz or pop. $100 cheaper than the CVR and few pounds lighter. The TRRI was actually the best sounding low volume clean - rich and 3D. But it was $400 more than the CVR and much heavier and larger (2x12). I haven't tried a 68 CVR but I understand it's more of the early break-up thing for blues.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
The pit is set-up on the floor in front of the stage of the 800-seat theater; so we are using a mix of stage sound with mics/DIs to supplement and balance us. I I thought the attenuator on the Tone Master was going to be handy, but I didn't realize how much so. I'm using my ES-335, a pedal board with a variety of effects, and a volume pedal between the pedal board and amp for some self-mixing - especially when I have to duck the volume under the dialogue. But I'm telling you, it was such a game-changer when the sound guy said, "Skip, we love your tone, but can you turn down just a bit so we can control you more from the board?" I reached behind the amp and flipped the attenuator one click (to 12w) and that did it. My tone stayed perfectly intact, but my perceived level dropped. It was awesome! Of course the light weight is great. (It's actually 12 pounds lighter than my '65 PRRI with a 12" speaker.) In order to get to my seat in the pit, I have to step down onto my chair from the stage. I was able to do this with the TMDR in my hand. My 55-year-old back is loving that! This amp's a keeper for me. However, my first love will always be my '65 PRRI! - I guess I'm a Fender polygamist now!
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I’d never heard of “Tone Master” before. So, I went into Chicago Music Exchange to check out a Collings 360 LT M. In the audition room there were two Deluxe Reverbs - a silver face and a black face. I tried the guitar through both and both sounded exactly as they should to me. It wasn’t until I was leaving that I saw the “Tone Master” badge on the black face. I didn’t know what it meant, but googled it when I got home. I’d never have guessed. So, it’s on my list... I’d like to A/B it to my Quilter Micropro 200 Mach 2 set to the surf setting. Anyway, that’s my ‘no-bias’ story.
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Originally Posted by uburoibob
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I just opened up the box from Sweetwater for the Fender Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb amp I just bought. This amp is an upgrade from my Boss Katana 50 I just bought. I am down to this amp and a Fender 1964 Bandmaster head chassis loaded in a Fender Deluxe amplifier cab with Jensen neo speaker.
I unboxed it and placed it on a stand. Just turn on the power switch and the mute switch (standby ?)
Haven't played it yet but my first thought was what did I just pay $900 for?
Being 62 years old I place a value based on an item at this price that shows some sort of workmanship and ready visible components. Simply I can see and feel what I paid for.
Keep in mind my last amp was the Mesa Boogie California tweed. 4 6v6 tubes and 6 preamp tubes. I bought it for the 6v6 tonal character, (think Fender Princeton reverb amp), and the power attenurator 40, 20, 10, 5 and 1 watts. The Mesa had a great Jensen Blackbird speaker in it. It was heavy and awkward carrying. I sold it for financial reasons.
The appeal on this amp for me is an amplifier with power attenurator, and hopefully that Blackface tone. Also most importantly with my financial situation, 36-48 months interest free. So my month payment is extremely low. The light weight is an added bonus.
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Ah... just wait until you hear it!
I am shopping for an amp for my Nocaster and every time I audition one in the store it gets bumped to the top of the list.
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The "standby" simply cuts off the speaker so you can use the XLR out in a silent-stage setting, or recording where you only want to monitor on headphones. It's a "mute" mode. Your Gain and other controls are fully functional.
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Thank you for the explanation. I dont record so I'm not familiar with these types of features.
Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Originally Posted by Wildcat
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Enjoy - unless the sound is not to your personal tastes I suspect you will be a happy bunny - there are lots of us on the forum
Ray
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Hi
Maybe a silly question but should there be a notable hiss on the TMDR when on anything over the .2w attenuation?
I got mine recently and use the lowest setting when practicing mostly as we're in lockdown so no gigging, but I turned it up a couple of notches to try out and I thought the hiss was quite loud so not sure if its a fault or its supposed to sound like that. I've been using a helix for the past couple of years so maybe i'm just out of touch.
Best
Andy
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Originally Posted by andyguitarist
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Another blindfold test involving a Fender Tonemaster (Deluxe):
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If it can help, in terms of pure sound, I have tested an audio recording on youtube between this Fender Solid State and the valve one. I can hear difference only listening these recordings with my pair of Shure SRH840 Headphones. I heard that the transients from the Solid State one are more sharper. For the rest is the same. It seems that the Solid State one sounds like more Hi-Fi. I analyzed the two recordings in parallel with a PAZ Frequency plugin from Waves and I found the same things I heard.
Overall the EQ is the same but the frequencies are a little more rough and pointed, especially between 4000 Hz and 2000 Hz. The tube one in that area is more rounded. Interesting to see that between 62 Hz and 20 Hz in the tube there's a lack of frequencies. This shows that tonemaster must be "heavily" equalized in that part to reach the Tube tone. But these are only my thoughts. Maybe this can help.
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I think what Fender should do next is Fender legacy Tonemaster head. A 100W head that comes with modelled iconic Fender amps. Champ, Tweed Deluxe, Bassman, Twin, Princeton, Super Reverb etc. Even their more recent hot rod and Pro Jn models.
Imagine all these amps modelled at a high standard in a micro head package.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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I just wanted to thank everyone for their posts and reviews of the Fender TDR - I picked one up yesterday and couldnt be happier with the tone and weight. Transformative!
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Following up on my earlier post with additional information - I play guitar in a 6-piece jazz ensemble that includes 2 sax players, we play mostly small rooms, pubs etc, lately outdoors with the pandemic. My Fender Acoustic (I got due to the clean sound and so i could also sing through it), while sounding great sometimes, always sounded thin when with the rest of the band. If the saxes even played guide tones behind me during a solo, my sound got drowned out unless I turned the amp up really loud, which just didnt sound good. Looking forward to trying out my new Fender TDR at a gig tomorrow. Will post tomorrow after gig if I remember, how it fared. I am hoping will deliver fatter sound with lots more headroom.
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Originally Posted by wanderingwolf1958
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